opponents. They put a label on their enemies to make them not human. I think
being anonymous works in the same direction. It deprives you of your identity
and thus makes you easier to attack.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Yaroslav M. Blanter
An: Lars Gard
Thank you for the info.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Lars Gardenius
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Gesendet: 10:10 Samstag, 7.September 2013
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> Well that is
Sorry, not dreaming.
I am used to do these sort of things. Part of my daily work.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Lars Gardenius
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Gesendet: 0:46 Samstag, 7.September 2013
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questions seriously.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Lars Gardenius
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Gesendet: 23:27 Freitag, 6.September 2013
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> As said it was only an
Sorry, but I didn't say that everone, but me, is wrong.
I said that I believe that you are wrong concerning this question.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Steven Zhang
An: Lars Gardenius ; Wikimedia Mailing List
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&
they know. The persons who still attack
are often mentally instable and easy to track and report to the police.
Regards,
lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 23:24 Freitag, 6.September 2013
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Well not using your real name if your handling arbitration is I think out of
the question, anywhere in the world but the Wikis.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Keegan Peterzell
An: Fred Bauder ; Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 20:22 Freitag, 6.September
As said it was only an example. And a very small part of my argumentation.
You must however understand that the average user has no reason to feel the way
you do and he has no possibilty to know who these persons are.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred
ained to handle these types
of questions. Otherwise you can never protect users from mobbing and abuses.
See also my answer to Fred Bauder, I find it unnecessary to repeat here.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Steven Zhang
An: "fredb...@fairpoint.net"
or that is not important.
>
> The important thing is that the person (or group of persons) has the
> responsibility and the power to fulfil its task, i.e. to protect
> Wiki-users from abuses and mobbing. Today nobody has neither that
> responsibility nor that power.
>
> regards,
&
As said that are easily solved in the society as a whole. So it is probably
also possible in Wikis.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 20:30 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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has neither that responsibility nor that
power.
regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 18:44 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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And your soluti
edias, which I
guess are much harder to control by a small group.
I have primarily seen this problem in various small Wikis, but I suppose that
it exist to a higher or smaller degree across the whole spectrum.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
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Von: geni
An: Lars Gard
an independent arbitrator.
This process is handled without difficulties by other organizations.
I am involved in work to counteract mobbing on the Internet in general and
there are the Wikis today absolutely a part of the problem.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von:
This is certainly not a question only for the English Wikipedia. I somewhat
doubt that it even foremost has to do with the English Wikipedia. I have seen
this problem primarily in smaller Wikis dominated by few people.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred
Perhaps you should think again Anders. It certainly also has to do with the
Swedish wikis.
You just repeated what you wrote earlier.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Anders Wennersten
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Gesendet: 13:23 Donnerstag, 5.September
, children or old folks, women or men.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 18:03 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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Yes, that is pretty muc
mobbing on the Internet. I don't want
the Wikis to be an enclave where this is still allowed.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 16:04 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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nk you paint an idealistic and rosy picture of the life in the
Wikis that many users don't recognize.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Marc A. Pelletier
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Gesendet: 18:05 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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to a Wiki, you want somewhere
to turn. As said there is no such instance in the Wikis, there is noone
responsible how people are treated and mistreated in the Wikis.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Marc A. Pelletier
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Gesend
there have also been
such instances where you can turn when an employee/schoolchild has been mobbed.
Why would Wiki manage without such an instance? I think you paint a much too
rosy picture of the Swedish Wikis, e.g. Swedish Wiktionary.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
As said I think it is an obvious structural problem of the Wiki organization. I
don't think the intention of this thread was to solve a single issue but to
point out a general problem.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Wikimedia Mailing
I don't agree with Anders Wennersten below. I have certainly seen the same kind
of problems in Sweden as well (at least a couple of years back). There are
other Swedish Wikis than Wikipedia mind you.
The problem is structural so it is shared by all Wikis.
Regards,
Lars Gard
uarreling
about the same things and the result is often nil.
So I still think there need to be structural change to handle this type of
problems.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: "cro0...@gmail.com"
An: Lars Gardenius
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Sorry, but I have seen several instances where it certainly doesn't work. Not
in a way you would expect in a normal society anyhow.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: "cro0...@gmail.com"
An: Lars Gardenius ; Wikimedia Mailing List
CC: "fr
onsibility that normal rules in a society are upheld and with the authority
to uphold them.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Peter Gervai
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 10:50 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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and mobbing,
and therefore needs an organization that can fulfil these duties.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Josh Lim
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 6:01 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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the users must be put in place.
Regards
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 1:16 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
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It is addressed but by a rather com
I think you are completely right and it is a big problem in the Wiki-world that
is not being addressed by anyone in a leading position.
Regards,
Lars Gardenius
Von: Rui Correia
An: Wikimedia Mailing List
Gesendet: 23:08 Mittwoch, 4.September 2013
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r the Wiki-projects
This letter will be
distributed to a large number of people within the Wiki-organization
as well as to some people outside it.
Lars Gardenius
Physicist and
Entrepreneur
Sweden
* Example of statement
from administrator in German Wiktionary on democracy:
Dann werde
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