Regarding the IA: they have a significant interest in working with the
Wikimedia projects, a lot more experience than the Wikimedia projects have
caching absolutely tremendous quantities of data, a willinness to handle a
degree of legal risk that would be inappropriate for the Wikimedia projects
to
On 4 July 2014 01:00, James Salsman wrote:
>> I don't think it's a donation if you're getting something (a survey) in
>> return.
>
> How could the Foundation possibly not benefit from understanding
> contributors' opinions about general strategic goals for improving
> participation?
>
> I also w
On 07/03/2014 02:21 PM, John wrote:
> I'm in the process of working with Dispenser to get said proposal written
> and the ball rolling. However this process will take some time
Said proposal from Dispenser/Betacommand has been posted at:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Caching
On 7/3/2014 8:33 PM, James Salsman wrote:
a volunteer who has
single-handedly saved volunteer-centuries of time and then taken a
principled, non-zero sum stand to offer agreement to the FOSS release
requirement on Wikimedia Labs in return for the resources necessary to
build new systems.
If that'
John: thank you again.
James Salsman writes:
> suggestions that IA has any more legal risk than the Foundation
Of course they do. The Wayback Machine alone is the largest
publicly-accessible archive of copyrighted material in the world. The
only other archives that come within magnitudes of tha
>... the standard category of a programmer who doesn't work well
> with non-programmers and sucks at writing specs/documentation.
That is an extremely rude way to characterize a volunteer who has
single-handedly saved volunteer-centuries of time and then taken a
principled, non-zero sum stand to o
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 07:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> > Is Reftools FOSS?
>
> No, it is not,
Thanks Marc.
It seems to me that the problem is very simple, in that case: how to come
up with a free/libre tool, to be hosted on WMFlabs, that replic
As I said I'm waiting for feedback first. What I sent to Coren is just a
rough draft. It will be posted to a wiki and more input will be requested.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:39 PM, John wrote:
>
> > However I spent some time w
Hello John,
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:39 PM, John wrote:
> However I spent some time with him and chiseled out a few things, have a
> grasp on exactly what Dispenser wants to accomplish and the resources
> necessary to do it. (probably upwards of 25-30k dollars) I wrote up a rough
> outline and b
Ill be blunt here, Dispenser's existing tools do not need more than a few
hundred megabytes of space for storage. He however does have an idea for a
set of tools (or one super massive depending on your perspective) which is
a resource hog and will need a consult with WMF legal to OK it. Up until
to
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> > throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of
> > storage for a project that has legal questionablity
>
> If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their
> inverted indices, you would all be using WAIS for the
> I don't think it's a donation if you're getting something (a survey) in
> return.
How could the Foundation possibly not benefit from understanding
contributors' opinions about general strategic goals for improving
participation?
I also want development of accuracy review. If there are any rea
You say 'if only the Foundation matches my donation'... I don't want to
sound daft, but from a financial viewpoint, I don't think it's a donation
if you're getting something (a survey) in return.
On 4 Jul 2014 00:18, "James Salsman" wrote:
> > [Calling] when you ask for a huge chunk of hardware [
> Dispenser's tools appear to be migrated at:
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/view/Main_Page
"This page was last modified on 24 July 2012 at 04:01 (UTC)"
https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/categorder.py/Category:All_articles_with_improper_non-free_content
is still down.
https://en
On 07/03/2014 07:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody
> else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that happen?
No, it is not, and Dispenser has explicitly stated that nobody was
allowed to run it.
In particula
> Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody
> else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that
happen?
I may be missing something, but Dispenser's tools appear to be migrated at:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/view/Main_Page
-- Douglas
[[Use
> [Calling] when you ask for a huge chunk of hardware [and] someone
> dares to ask what you plan to do with it, once you get it for free ...
> censorship is trolling
I was not complaining about the question, I was sincerely complaining
about the answer. We need Foundation staff with the capability
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Fæ wrote:
>
> I was gobsmacked to find that the reflinks tool had not been carefully
> transitioned and no plan for it was in place,
Me too, to the extent I'm gobsmacked by anything these days. My students
love this tool, it's one of the primary things that help m
On 3 July 2014 19:16, Gregory Varnum wrote:
> That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current
> procedures. So..what's the problem?
Left hand not talking to the right hand I think.
I was gobsmacked to find that the reflinks tool had not been carefully
transitioned and no plan f
And imagine what I could do with a space rocket and a nuclear reactor!
Wikipedia Mars mission!
ANYONE can run tools on Labs for free! It's just when you ask for a huge
chunk of hardware that someone dares to ask what you plan to do with it,
once you get it for free. Calling that censorship if trol
>... I am glad that there is at least some sanity checking
On my happy planet, sanity means taking historical progress into
account when telling people that they have to fill out a form and wait
for committee review when making a reasonable request for an obvious
need.
There is so much more that
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:14 PM, James Salsman wrote:
>
> Why does the Foundation need a proposal to do that? Where is that
> requirement documented?
>
I work in a research institute that has >20 Petabyte of spinning disk. If I
need 20TB of server-grade storage, I have to make a formal request,
>... His demands for the storage are for a new version of
> the tool he is yet to write that is meant to actually cache
> the external link's webpages...likely to need Legal to look into
Just like any search engine keeps a reconstructable representation of
the indexed text. There is absolutely no
I'm in the process of working with Dispenser to get said proposal written
and the ball rolling. However this process will take some time
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Gregory Varnum
wrote:
> That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current
> procedures. So..what's the problem?
That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current
procedures. So..what's the problem?
-greg aka varnent
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> > Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> >
On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?
To make matters a bit clearer, Dispenser's current Reflinks tool (and
all his others) do not need 24T of storage (nor would toolserver have
had that st
Probably something better suited for a technical mailing list. Not really
something we can help with on Wikimedia-l as very few of us have the
technical skills to know what's going on...
Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in Englan
> throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of
> storage for a project that has legal questionablity
If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their
inverted indices, you would all be using WAIS for the last five years
of corporate press releases for your reference
Im mobile right now, do this will be short. He is throwing a tantrum
because WMF won't give him 24TB of storage for a project that has legal
questionablity. So he is using his existing tools as leverage aka hostages
to force the issue. I find that very bad behavior on his part
On Thursday, July 3,
On 3 Jul 2014, at 12:14, Strainu wrote:
> 2014-07-03 14:12 GMT+03:00 James Salsman :
>> Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
>> User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?
>
>
> Context please?
There's been a discussion of this topic going on at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
2014-07-03 14:12 GMT+03:00 James Salsman :
> Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?
Context please?
Strainu
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Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs? To me this just shouts "some of our
people are not yet in the top quintile of their fields." Seriously. If
you don't want to have to wait for REST transactions, it seems like a
completely reasonable am
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