Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2012/5/29 David Gerard : > No, I think it's incorrect to assume "readable" is a euphemism for > "dumbed down". Frankly, many academics are terrible writers. Because > most people are terrible writers. Indeed. As Wikipedia is a general reference work I think that readability is part of the quality.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 May 2012 05:41, Ms. Anne Frazer wrote: > However, when I read your words, the essence of your comments is clear in > that part of your message is couched in attacking good prose because it is > too difficult to read and understand. I remind myself that you don't mean to > engage in a call f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread David Gerard
On 29 May 2012 00:30, Steven Walling wrote: > I think the addition of uncovered topics and much-needed citations balances > out the inherent tendency of academics to write unnecessarily complex > prose. But maybe there are ways that folks in the General Education Program > at the WMF and in volun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Ms. Anne Frazer wrote: > > However, when I read your words, the essence of your comments is clear in > that part of your message is couched in attacking good prose because it is > too difficult to read and understand. I remind myself that you don't mean > to engage

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread Ms. Anne Frazer
sight that this is a bad thing; but it seems a less than desirable trend. Anne Frazer Secretary Wikimedia Australia - Original Message ----- From: "Steven Walling" To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > > Thoughts? > Steven > > 1. > > http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/members/aps-wikipedia-initiative > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/5/29 Steven Walling : > Thoughts? Do people from non-English outreach programs to academics have > any similar experiences? Depends on the particular project and the people involved. In a project about Tort law we got several dozens of Hebrew articles about the subject and they were long, de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread Michael Snow
On 5/28/2012 5:08 PM, Anya Shyrokova wrote: My main thought is that the statement: "Writing should be clear and concise. Plain English works best: avoid ambiguity, jargon, and vague or unnecessarily complex wording" is somewhat self-contradictory. Jargon exists in order to increase precision and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread Anya Shyrokova
My main thought is that the statement: "Writing should be clear and concise. Plain English works best: avoid ambiguity, jargon, and vague or unnecessarily complex wording" is somewhat self-contradictory. Jargon exists in order to increase precision and decrease vagueness/ unnecessary wording. That

[Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-28 Thread Steven Walling
Hey folks, Today I was browsing the many fine articles that have been edited on EN as part of the Wikipedia initiative by the Association for Psychological Science.[1] There is no doubt that the articles which these professors and students have worked are better by any measure of quality. But I w