Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Ah, while we are at complaints about the fundraiser, I grabbed some on other Wikimedia projects, on the fact that the text talk about Wikipedia while the local project isn't Wikipedia. Just a hint. Le 2012-11-28 21:22, Victor Grigas a écrit : On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM, cyrano wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Victor Grigas
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM, cyrano wrote: > Le 28/11/2012 15:17, Victor Grigas a écrit : > > Understood! Last year I shot this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**File:Wikimedia_Foundation_** >> Interview_with_Chief_of_**Finance_and_Administration_** >> Garfield_Byrd_October_7,_2011.**th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread cyrano
Le 28/11/2012 15:17, Victor Grigas a écrit : Understood! Last year I shot this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_Interview_with_Chief_of_Finance_and_Administration_Garfield_Byrd_October_7,_2011.theora.ogv I tried to be as clear and concise as possible, including the date o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, The video is indeed nice, although I could imagine that many Wikipedians are less appealed, like in 2007 about the video of that year. But we Wikipedians are simply not the target group, for good reasons. I would find it interesting to know whether there are really significantly more quest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Victor Grigas
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, cyrano wrote: > Le 28/11/2012 12:43, Thomas Dalton a écrit : > > > It is perfectly normal for a charity to make heavy use of volunteers and > still need money as well. > I assume that by 'normal' you mean 'common', and by 'needing money' you > mean 'asking for mon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 November 2012 15:58, Victor Grigas wrote: > Ps Andy, you are in it :) ... briefly. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 November 2012 14:27, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > I'm pretty sure we have an OTRS template about it. :) I haven't been able to find one in English, that responds to the question above. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread cyrano
Le 28/11/2012 12:43, Thomas Dalton a écrit : > It is perfectly normal for a charity to make heavy use of volunteers and still need money as well. I assume that by 'normal' you mean 'common', and by 'needing money' you mean 'asking for money'? Otherwise it would lead to an entirely different sco

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thomas Dalton, 28/11/2012 15:54: On 28 November 2012 14:41, Charles Andrès wrote: In fact we haven't seen the link before but we had the same in Switzerland, it seems that in a way people complain about the traditional banners that are to intrusive, but in the other hand they are more suspici

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Victor Grigas
If users are confused, feel free to share this video with them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0&sns=em I designed it to explain a lot of how Wikipedia works (donations and all) in a short amount if time, and assuage anxieties about getting involved as an editor. Victor Ps Andy, yo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Katie Chan
On 28/11/2012 15:38, cyrano wrote: Which is completely normal. An image of volunteers building a great project for a great cause was constantly set up in every single communication, during years. So that's what uninformed people would believe. But, from the moment someone asks for money, it cont

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 28, 2012 3:39 PM, "cyrano" wrote: > > Which is completely normal. An image of volunteers building a great project for a great cause was constantly set up in every single communication, during years. So that's what uninformed people would believe. > But, from the moment someone asks for mone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread cyrano
Le 28/11/2012 12:24, Thomas Dalton a écrit : On Nov 28, 2012 3:06 PM, "cyrano" wrote: Non-informed people have an image of Wikipedia "run by volunteers". Do they? In that case, we've been really successful. It used to be that the first thing we had to do before we could get someone to donate w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 28, 2012 3:06 PM, "cyrano" wrote: > > Non-informed people have an image of Wikipedia "run by volunteers". Do they? In that case, we've been really successful. It used to be that the first thing we had to do before we could get someone to donate was explain to them that we're not a massive

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread cyrano
Le 28/11/2012 11:54, Thomas Dalton a écrit : On 28 November 2012 14:41, Charles Andrès wrote: In fact we haven't seen the link before but we had the same in Switzerland, it seems that in a way people complain about the traditional banners that are to intrusive, but in the other hand they are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Magnus Manske
To be fair, this orange banner does look a little ... out-of-place, not at all matching the rest of the page in style. It does the job of conveying the "we are a small poor foundation" a little too well, maybe ;-) On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 28 November 2012 14:41

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Richard Symonds
Your best bet is to move any complex ones to the donation queue (which is what was done in previous years, I think). Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 November 2012 14:41, Charles Andrès wrote: > In fact we haven't seen the link before but we had the same in Switzerland, > it seems that in a way people complain about the traditional banners that are > to intrusive, but in the other hand they are more suspicious and have doubt > about ba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Charles Andrès
In fact we haven't seen the link before but we had the same in Switzerland, it seems that in a way people complain about the traditional banners that are to intrusive, but in the other hand they are more suspicious and have doubt about banners that are not the same than previous year! Charles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Not trying to be snarky, but like what? We run a fundraiser. It happens every year. I'm pretty sure we have an OTRS template about it. :) pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On W

[Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
I'm seeing a significant number of OTRS tickets along the lines of: I was looking at Wikipedia and a big orange banner popped up asking for donation> Is this for real, or is it a scam? Can anything be done about this? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk