[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-23 Thread Camelia Boban
Hi everyone, I was unsure whether or not to reply to this thread, but maybe something honestly has to be said. Criticism is welcome when constructive, said in a civilized manner, without going personal and without the intention of belittling, and intended to improve our content. Not when done sele

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-23 Thread Vi to
Criticism and harassment must be told apart. I feel like LSP letter in French does, while supporting letter on meta doesn't. In collaborative projects driven by volunteers criticism should never be downplayed, even when actively contrasting its specific instances. Paid editing, neutrality, inclus

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-22 Thread Lane Chance
A detailed response by LSP to questions raised on the French Wikipedia, and a summary of the context of being subject to an unpleasant pile on, and direct personal attacks on the team, was published yesterday at: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Les_sans_pagEs/Réponses_aux_questions_posées_à_l'

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-19 Thread Todd Allen
It is hard to determine what is being complained about, when the letter does not actually link to any of the threads it complains about. If it did that, it would be much more easily possible for someone to look into the substance of it. It states that it has been linked to "continual bad-faith argu

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-19 Thread Jasper Deng
Long-time lurker stepping in for a little. “Stay in your lane”—no, just no. Communities and our organizations are deeply intertwined and their relationship with each other is crucial to their success. If that means swaying hiring decisions, then so be it. I have not fully read the details either

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-19 Thread Lane Chance
Responding to LGBTQ minority communities raising legitimate, evidence based, concerns of systemic bias with "stay in your lane"? I don't think I've read anything more tone deaf. The give away is "Without having looked into the actual substance". Do the research before rushing to punch down the vo

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-18 Thread Yair Rand
Without having looked into the actual substance of whatever dispute is going on among frwiki and LSP, I want to put forward some good general principles: * The individual hiring and firing decisions of our organizations should be under the exclusive jurisdiction of the entities assigned those respo