On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 14:08, Gnangarra wrote:
> that doesn't mean we don't try to find alternative ways and improve on the
> way we deal with issues
Having observed and researched the working of ANI it became apparent to me
that the unstructured nature of the discussions there allows for
The fact that this problem exists in nearly anywhere is true, from biases
to harasses. The problem is whether or not one actively face it, and if
there are any way that is efficient, secure and unbiased way to treat those
problems without undermining the trust mechanism of volunteers.
And all the
Yaroslav is right it is difficult to wade through every minor diff to see a
pattern and AN/I is incapable of reacting to anything but the extremes,
that doesn't mean we don't try to find alternative ways and improve on the
way we deal with issues
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 19:10, Yaroslav Blanter
In addition, (English Wikipedia) ANI can reasonably well deal with one or
several highly problematic diffs, but very often we have a long pattern
which can result in a long series of diffs, so that each one is
unproblematic or slightly problematic, but all together thay may constitute
a harassment
The whole purpose of harassing someone is to put them under pressure, to
make the victim upset and force them away from editing. Creating a clear list
of problematic diffs and an unbiased, unemotional recounting of events is
impossible during the incident, when all thats desired is to have the
I see.
The English Wikipedia, and most projects in general (from my experience),
are not perfect at handling problems with established editors.
This is to be expected. However, there’s some element of draconian secret
policing present in having a brigade of T employees handling any and all
Why the harassed normally email T but not seeking local help:
Sometimes some kinds of harassment against a person or a group is an
orchestrated attempt driven by off-wiki matters. Considering the
"importance" of Wikipedia and it's sister projects, and the fundamentally
huge size of the movement,
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 14:47, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l
wrote:
>
> I fail to understand how requiring public report of publicly-occurring
> harassment is a problem.
"Don't be a cunt"
"Fuck off"
"Stop being hysterical"
+ Far worse actually gets tolerated, and I'm not quoting any here, you
work
For a person to report harassment they must first feel safe to do so. Not
everyone is capable of dealing with or participating in a public debate
about whether they have been harassed, there is a significant difference
between arguing facts on a topic and dealing with harassment and offensive
I fail to understand how requiring public report of publicly-occurring
harassment is a problem.
If people are being harassed constantly via off-wiki communication,
emailing a local admin team or T is definitely the best thing to do if
they don’t want to make it public in an on-wiki report.
>
> The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers are criminals
> and not above the law. Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind
> of harrasment is an offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law
> and not above the law.
Wikipedia is not above the law.
The
The code of conduct is not a law.
People who are harassers are criminals and not above the law.
Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of harrasment is an
offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not above the law.
Wikipedia is not above the law.
People who seek help
And there the problem lies, going to local authorities (police) isn’t going to
be useful. Some authorities require the alleged crime to be committed in their
jurisdiction, which can be limited, anonymous nature of the person who
committed the alleged crime makes it difficult to identify the
If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is not a matter to be
solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you local authorities and
report it. This is a very serious matter to just become an essay for
someone or belive that it can be solved by administrators or safety team.
Safety
If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place to
send them for help, that is an absolute failure of the community to
understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the harm.
Doing so publicly is indicating to the person committing the harassment
that they
Hello Chris,
This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS.
Harassments are treated on a case-by-case basis.
So, if this is something you aren't comfortable discussing publicly, you
could email the Functionary team or ArbCom or similar body in that
community.
If it's something that should be
It depends on the nature of the incident. If the harassment took place on
the wiki, yes, it should be reported via an on-wiki process since it does
not involve private information. On the English Wikipedia, that would
generally be AN/I.
If the harassment happened off-wiki (e.g., via harassing
Well, I don't know the fact directly but the standard procedure is to
discuss it with a local administrator on the relevant talk page or notice
board. So, Vermont is correct.
The T does not usually take action in cases that can generally be handled
by the local community. Thus, responses such as
To be clear, this is what I was advised:
“ Harassment concerns can be reviewed under the appropriate community process.
I would therefore advise you to report the edit summary to the appropriate
channels on the wiki it occured. If this happened on English Wikipedia, this
would be the
Chris,
More generally, conduct issues are handled locally. We do not have a
central authority to handle issues like this; local communities are, in the
vast majority of cases, capable of handling conduct problems of it’s
editors. Not to mention that T would be incapable of handling every minor
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 22:43, Chris Sherlock
wrote:
> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being
> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private
> mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
>
> Is this for real?
Assuming you've contacted
Do other kinds of harassment have a different procedure or are tollerated?
On 23/08/2020 22:43, Chris Sherlock wrote:
Hello all,
I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being sexually
harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private mechanisms to
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 21:50, ktsquare wrote:
>> they must report this to AN/I
> What is AN/I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents
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>> What is AN/I
:Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents on-Wiki. This is an administrator's
noticeboard where one can report.
Thanks
User:Titodutta
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 02:21, ktsquare wrote:
> What is AN/I
>
> On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 4:43 p.m. Chris Sherlock, <
>
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 21:43, Chris Sherlock wrote:
> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being
> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private
> mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
>
> Is this for real?
Not according to:
What is AN/I
On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 4:43 p.m. Chris Sherlock, <
chris.sherloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being
> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private
> mechanisms to report this sort
Hello all,
I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being sexually
harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private mechanisms to
report this sort of thing.
Is this for real?
Chris Sherlock
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