Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-19 Thread Asaf Bartov
When one reads the links offered by Pavlo, the picture is clearer. The board is trying to suppress on-list criticism with this step, claiming people (no doubt including Pavlo) are trolls and spammers. I think we all know things are often not black and white, and that accusations of trolling are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-19 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I'm really grateful for your note, Asaf You comprehend my messages 100% right. Perhaps even more than that, as I'm just unable to verify whether I'm a troll (or not, hopefully). But as to the best of my belief I'm ready to face the fact, that I'm the troll (how can I know that for sure?) so I'm

[Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-19 Thread attolippip
Dear all, as a member of the board in question, i would like to explain more But let's not pretend this is a question of a sudden need to set up a new mailing list. That's not what this is about (q) A. yep. totally agree. this all is about usearching for transparent and convenient forms of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-19 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I'm glad that antanana (she don't like capital letters as you can see :) ) joined our discussion. Now is her very first term in the Board (we reelect the board each year) and she brought a lot of 'fresh air' to our Board and proceeds to do so every day and even night (for example she sent her

[Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
According to WMUA Board decision [1] from now on (today morning) and for unlimited time period the one and only WMUA chapter mailing list [ WikimediaUA] [2] (which is very much like [Wikimedia-I]) is switched to read-only mode for all community members but Board (7 persons) and Audit Committee

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Manuel Schneider
Dear Pavlo, as that list is dedicated to chapter business, the chapter may decide how to use that list. For open discussions of the ukranian language Wikimedia projects there is WikiUK-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiuk-l If there is a real need for a seperate list to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Pavlo Shevelo, 18/08/2013 16:36: As for now my question is pretty simple: is there any precedents known, when chapter Board do some alike rulings? Does it seems appropriate? Sorry, but I think these questions are flawed. A better question is: do the member of the chapter have a suitable and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Manuel Schneider
Am 18.08.2013 17:47, schrieb Pavlo Shevelo: is there any precedents known, when chapter Board do some alike rulings? all precedence known to me have been much less restrictive actions, such as the WikimediaCH-l list to become a closed list due to some issues we had with private information

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, This is actually a good question for http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Research/Survey_1 How do chapter boards make use of the board mailing list, and how about the general mailing list of the association. Actually, the mailing list of WMNL, Wikimedianl-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
Oh Federico (or should I use Nemo as the name? :) ), Seemingly you almost grasped (groked) what I'm talking about and that almost is caused by my problems in English (it's not my native language and I suffer from lack of practice :( ). So we need some more clarification and let me start from the

[Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Анатолій Гончаров
: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:36:24 +0300 From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode Message-ID: cae4eyto0u6ybweldzrju+2qxrrkjgessm6wfyq+vcv53eg

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

2013-08-18 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
WikimediaCH-l list to become a closed list due to some issues we had with private information (unwillingly) disclosed on that list. Nobody questioned that change. The said WMUA mailing list from the moment of creation was closed for anybody else but WMUA members. I was one of the members, who