Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-22 Thread James Salsman
> I forgot that you are not able to edit Meta. Because I was accused of violating the "research policy" by a staff member who admitted some months later that there was no research policy. > I will migrate the relevant > parts of the discussion here to the wiki, since a wiki is a useful place to >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-22 Thread Samuel Klein
James, I forgot that you are not able to edit Meta. I will migrate the relevant parts of the discussion here to the wiki, since a wiki is a useful place to break down ideas and refactor solutions; but please feel free to continue posting thoughts to the list. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Jam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-22 Thread James Salsman
SJ, > presuming to represent others - is not very helpful at all. You can plainly see I am not the only one in this thread with these concerns. By virtue of my being an outsider, I certainly can represent those with whom I am in correspondence without fear of reprisal, and I refuse to be bullied.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-22 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM, James Salsman wrote: > donors who expect the Foundation to prepare for contingency James, While your statistical comments were well-informed and helpful, your comments in this thread are less so, and your frustrated approach - while presuming to represent others

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-22 Thread James Salsman
Matt, I do not share your perspective, and I want you to understand why. > as a member of the fundraising technology team - that I was shocked, > utterly amazed, and astounded at how successful this years fundraiser was. You met a goal based on a growth rate which had been lowered once in July a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-22 Thread Richard Ames
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Matthew Walker
James, the Chief Revenue Officer reported that "significant" increases in > fundraising would be very difficult > I cannot speak for what Zack was thinking -- but I can tell you - as a member of the fundraising technology team - that I was shocked, utterly amazed, and astounded at how successful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread James Salsman
SJ, Thank you for your reply: > Fundraising targets have been set to match our projected needs for the > year, for the past few years. Does the very recent abandonment of several aspects of the Strategic Plan, after the July 2012-3 Annual Plan goal was set at $46.1 million, which itself was subs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello James, On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM, James Salsman wrote: > > Are you suggesting the Board has a duty to raise as > > much money as possible? > > No. When actual fundraising far exceeded expectations, it was scaled > back to meet expectations based on the nonquantative predictions of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Matthew Walker
> > It's clear that this year, the fundraiser could easily raise much more > than the revenue goals, thanks to dramatic increases in banner > effectiveness. It probably wouldn't even "cost" that much in terms of annoying readers -- not like ~2 months of 100% banners from previous > years. While

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 21, 2012 5:48 PM, "James Salsman" wrote: > > > Costs don't scale linearly with pageviews. Nor do donations, > > especially when you consider that much of that growth in pageviews now > > comes from the 'Global South' (where people generally have less > > disposable income to donate) and fro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread James Salsman
> Costs don't scale linearly with pageviews. Nor do donations, > especially when you consider that much of that growth in pageviews now > comes from the 'Global South' (where people generally have less > disposable income to donate) and from mobile devices (which we don't > really fundraise on, alt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Peter Coombe
On 21 December 2012 17:00, James Salsman wrote: >> How do you see the fiduciary responsibilities of the board playing into >> fundraising targets? > > The employees of the board share their fiduciary responsibilities. > >> Are you suggesting the Board has a duty to raise as >> much money as possib

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread James Salsman
> How do you see the fiduciary responsibilities of the board playing into > fundraising targets? The employees of the board share their fiduciary responsibilities. > Are you suggesting the Board has a duty to raise as > much money as possible? No. When actual fundraising far exceeded expectation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Nathan
I think raising a lot more money because its possible to raise a lot more money is a for-profit mentality; the WMF has been actually narrowing its scope, in the understanding that it can't solve all problems or be all things, and it makes a lot of sense to me to raise only what it already knows can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Sage Ross
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Nathan wrote: > Hi James, > > How do you see the fiduciary responsibilities of the board playing into > fundraising targets? Are you suggesting the Board has a duty to raise as > much money as possible? I'm also curious why you highlight "deliberately > slowing fu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
Money for reasonable reserves is money you need... On Dec 21, 2012 4:22 PM, "David Gerard" wrote: > On 21 December 2012 16:18, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > > Raising money you don't need would be a gross breach of a charity > trustee's > > fiduciary duties... > > > Citation needed. > > When WMF didn

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 December 2012 16:18, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Raising money you don't need would be a gross breach of a charity trustee's > fiduciary duties... Citation needed. When WMF didn't have a financial buffer, people bitched about it. Now it's getting one, people are bitching about that. Often the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Nathan
Hi James, How do you see the fiduciary responsibilities of the board playing into fundraising targets? Are you suggesting the Board has a duty to raise as much money as possible? I'm also curious why you highlight "deliberately slowing fundraising" despite the 32% increase in revenue goals for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
Raising money you don't need would be a gross breach of a charity trustee's fiduciary duties... On Dec 21, 2012 3:55 PM, "James Salsman" wrote: > Sj, > > I appreciate your kind words because I am somewhat frustrated. > > > thank you for your nuanced statistical comments; something we could use >

[Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread James Salsman
Sj, I appreciate your kind words because I am somewhat frustrated. > thank you for your nuanced statistical comments; something we could use more > of. Well, I have two additional questions for you and your colleagues concerning fiduciary duties relative to the observed growth rates. I'm not go