Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-05 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Adam Jenkins wrote: > .. > I tried to fix this by clicking on "edit" again, but this came up with a > warning saying that I was editing an old revision of the page. I was > surprised, because I didn't think anyone would have had time to make any > changes, so I chec

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread Mark Hurd
Most of my issues with the Visual Editor (as an experienced markup, cite, and general template editor) have already been mentioned, but I should mention I found (admittedly only for one of my first edits a couple of weeks ago) that the Visual Editor touched many other templates (IIRC it modified da

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread Toby Hudson
My current beef is that proper section editing is *never* going to be implemented by the WMF because they "cannot justify using donor funds". The status quo is that when you ask to edit one section only, it loads up the entire page, and just locates you in the vicinity of the top of the section you

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread Adam Jenkins
I disagree that it is good for basic editing tasks, unless those tasks are the simple addition of text without references, templates or media. The problem is that it feels like an editor designed for everyone - it should have been designed with two modes, not one. One for beginner users, with simpl

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread Craig Franklin
My short opinion is that it's promising, but it clearly needs work. It is not ready for a global go-live yet, but its deployment seems to be driven by considerations other than whether it's ready for Production use. The good: From my work at outreach workshops, this is by a long shot the #1 reque

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread Tony Souter
Good idea: but post it on-wiki? Tony On 03/07/2013, at 7:04 PM, G. White wrote: > The team working on the VE needs this feedback and is asking for it. > Can we collate it and send it to them? > > Whiteghost.ink > > > On 3 July 2013 18:19, Adam Jenkins wrote: > I've been curious about it,

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread G. White
The team working on the VE needs this feedback and is asking for it. Can we collate it and send it to them? Whiteghost.ink On 3 July 2013 18:19, Adam Jenkins wrote: > I've been curious about it, but hadn't tried it before now. I kind-of wish > I hadn't. I took a basic article and tried to do a

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread Adam Jenkins
I've been curious about it, but hadn't tried it before now. I kind-of wish I hadn't. I took a basic article and tried to do a couple of things that a typical new editor would try. First, I tried adding a reference to a web page for an unsourced claim. This is particularly important to me, as I was