Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Theo10011
This is getting rather silly. Amir might not realize that he is flirting with some political undertones, with his argument, but is also the same stance on the word that I've had against Anirudh'd characterization. I might have had a brief discussion with Anirudh about this a couple of years ago, a

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Anivar Aravind
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: >> >> Again: Let's not make up controversy. > > > No one is trying to rake up a controversy. This is a polite discussion, at > least on my part, so I will appreciate if you do not al

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > Again: Let's not make up controversy. > No one is trying to rake up a controversy. This is a polite discussion, at least on my part, so I will appreciate if you do not allude otherwise. I have presented an

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/11/14 Anirudh Bhati : > The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Linguistics by PH Matthews distinguishes > Indic scripts from the Dravidian scripts, clearly specifying that Indic > refers to the languages belonging to the Indo-Aryan Family (see page 175 of This is one particular - and concise - dict

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > So are the words "India" and "Indian". If this logic is true, then the > English name of the Republic of India, and the name of this mailing > list would be derogatory as well. Evidently, to most people they

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Pradeep Nair
: Wikimedia India Community list Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages) 2012/11/14 Anirudh Bhati : > The word 'Indic' itself is a derivative of the word "Hindus" or "Indus"

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Vickram Crishna
Wrt the spread of the ivc, excavations have been made in southern Maharashtra as well that show similar characteristics (news reports over the last few years; I don't have references). I don't think that one can absolutely conclude that it did not spread to the Deccan. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-14 Thread Vickram Crishna
Judging from this clarification, it seems that a position is being created that the Indus valley civilisation was the sole active player in the separation of Dravidian from non-Dravidian communities, and that we should shun any attempt to use the word Indic, as that might show unnecessary respect t

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/11/14 Anirudh Bhati : > The word 'Indic' itself is a derivative of the word "Hindus" or "Indus" > referring to the Indus Valley Civilization, which did not stretch as far as > Deccan India where the Dravidian family of languages have been prevalent. > The distinction between the Indic language

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Anivar Aravind wrote: > factually incorrect . > Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmic_scripts > The article you refer to lacks proper citations. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Anirudh Bhati
My email was not directed at anyone personally. It was simply a response to the observation Srikanth made and from what I glanced from Wikipedia articles.[1] In the context of linguistics, you will be hard-pressed to find reliable sources that refer to Indic languages as a generic term for all of

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Anivar Aravind
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Anirudh Bhati wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: >> >> If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's wrong. There's >> nothing to discuss, and there's nothing wrong with saying "Indic >> languages". > > > The word "Indic"

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I don't know which dictionary this is. Merriam-Webster says that it can be both: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indic "Indic" is very common in discussion of computing in the languages of India and its neighboring countries, all of which face similar challenges. There's nothing derogato

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Vikram Vincent
> The word "Indic" refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, > which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. > Hence, bunching the entire system of Dravidian languages together with the > Indo-Aryan languages in India may seem derogatory to some, and reasona

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2012/11/14 Anirudh Bhati : > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: >> >> If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's w

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread praveenp
On Wednesday 14 November 2012 09:31 AM, Anirudh Bhati wrote: The word "Indic" refers generally to the Indo-Aryan family of languages, which does not include Dravidian languages prevalent in Southern India. [citation needed] Then Why don't they just called Indic language, other than Indo-Arya

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indic languages (was Re: Spoken Wikipedia for Indic Languages)

2012-11-13 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > If he didn't explain it, then you can presume that it's wrong. There's > nothing to discuss, and there's nothing wrong with saying "Indic > languages". > The word "Indic" refers generally to the Indo-Aryan f