Here we are talking about the grant approval of Wikipedia treks Kalindi khal and there in English Wikipedia, User:Shyamal is proposing deletion of previous two Wikipedia treks mountains event pages along with all the documentation. I have to copy paste all the previous events into meta. Such a waste of time and data. On 23 Aug 2015 17:31, <wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
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Re: [CIS-A2K] July Newsletter (Subhashish Panigrahi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 20:10:06 +0530 > From: sankarshan <foss.mailingli...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia India Community list > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Asking for endorsement for > “Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal” > Message-ID: > < > cakq+-3zmpn5m8d9gkp6tjngygdmezritpviai_-ljk-xxsd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Ashwin Baindur > <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Request the views of more editors on this proposal. Guys, Santanu took > > the trouble to give us a detailed proposal, at least lets do him the > > courtesy of giving our views, whatever these may be. > > I went through the proposal in small chunks primarily to think through > this. I am not an editor and so the views may or, may not be relevant. > In no particular order, here are a few comments. > > [+] The proposal states "The main purpose of Wikipedia Treks Kalindi > Khal is to increase the material related to Himalayan Range with a > free license in Wikimedia Commons and improve the quality and increase > the amount of articles about diversifying Garhwal Himalayan mountain > range and other respective variety in different languages in > Wikipedia. Also to raise awareness among various community chapters, > motivate them to contribute to the Wikimedia projects and organize > this kind of trekking expedition in future." > > This is in fact 3 specific objectives - (a) collect material on the > region covered by this trek; (b) generate awareness within the > chapters; (c) establish the feasibility of a similar activity by > accruing more value than consumed > > [+] The proposal states "Currently this project is focused on Global > south region which will Improve editor diversity by recruiting new > editors from this particular target group." > > But doesn't specifically mention the target group or, the methodology > of recruiting new editors > > [+] "Trekking or hiking is extremely well liked adventure sports > through the globe and it will be enormously easier to find like-minded > open source and free knowledge organizations and initiatives with whom > we can collaborator with" > > A few examples of such organizations would have been a good thing to > have at this point. Primarily to estimate the willingness of the said > organizations to contribute to knowledge under a free (or, liberal) > license. Anecdotal experience indicates that organizations have their > own rationale and quirks when engaging in collaborative ventures and > prior handshakes are required to ensure specific outcomes > > [+] "This Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal will be the first major public > activity of its kind and will be pivotal in the increased uptake of > Wikimedia projects by the populace of the extreme lands in India." > > The simplest question for this line of reasoning is "How?". "Extreme > lands" would indicate a set of constraints that are unique and perhaps > primary among those being the awareness of the utility value of > Wikipedia itself. The proposal does not go on to elaborate how it is > planned to be addressed > > [+] "This team of WTM comprises total nine members; among them three > wikipedians and a female wikipedian volunteer is involved. We expect > another three non wikipedian experienced trek member to be converted > into volunteers. > After the completion of trek, there will be three edit-a-thons, for > new editors, where they will be educated with proper guidance, > follow-up and mentorship." > > It would be nice to have a draft idea of what can be documented. This > can be in the form of stub pages which can be filled out later during > the edit-a-thons or, an assessment of the gaps in the existing content > around the region to be covered by the trek thus creating a handy > guide to what needs to be added. This pre-expedition exercise could > also serve as a metric of success of such ventures > > [+] "Wikimedia Commons has an insignificant representation of > mountains and peaks along with the species, flora and fauna in the > complete Himalayan range. The available images are of moderate to > acceptable quality. Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal aims to improve the > coverage of the Himalayan range by encouraging people (including > professional photographers) to take and donate quality images under > free licenses to the Wikimedia Commons database." > > The proposal does not mention whether the current team does comprise > of individuals who are proficient in skills of photography and would > contribute (not 'donate') images of higher resolution and greater > variety to Commons > > [+] "Increasing Wikimedia's participation in the remotest places (Mana > Village, the last village of India) is one of the salient points of > Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal. Garhwal Himalaya is crucial to this > objective, as a key hub for the whole range of Himalaya. Since the > Internet penetrations in these areas are low, the end results will be > less satisfactory. Henceforth, the initial impact will increase > awareness." > > And again, "How?" The proposal misses an unique opportunity to provide > creative solutions while attempting to increase awareness of Wikipedia > (and related projects) in areas that are mostly off-the-internet. > Also, if the awareness campaign is successful, what are the planned > next steps which can be looked into? > > [+] "Encourage Innovation" > > This specific topic could do with a revisit. The current shape of the > content does not indicate any innovating practices or, approaches. > > /s > > -- > sankarshan mukhopadhyay > <https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 20:41:07 +0530 > From: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia India Community list > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [CIS-A2K] July Newsletter > Message-ID: > <CAMo0PCiiz8sbM5v7+vpbdpFALSaW3AJKkgAvwdc= > h9wtgmi...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Subhashish, thanks for this detailed report. Wish I was there for some > of these interesting events. I'm in Pune now so hopefully, a little > more activity from my side will follow... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:10:08 +0530 > From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikant...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia India Community list > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Asking for endorsement for > “Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal” > Message-ID: > <CANCd7zbCUtO3K8WcB2_4j2QzkHJp8= > wsig7rs9m9u4yy7tw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, I request all of you to take the discussion to the Grant talk page > on Meta where it would be more visible and useful for others going thru the > proposal. > > -- > Srikanth. > http://bestpedia.in > On 22-Aug-2015 8:10 pm, "sankarshan" <foss.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Ashwin Baindur > > <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Request the views of more editors on this proposal. Guys, Santanu took > > > the trouble to give us a detailed proposal, at least lets do him the > > > courtesy of giving our views, whatever these may be. > > > > I went through the proposal in small chunks primarily to think through > > this. I am not an editor and so the views may or, may not be relevant. > > In no particular order, here are a few comments. > > > > [+] The proposal states "The main purpose of Wikipedia Treks Kalindi > > Khal is to increase the material related to Himalayan Range with a > > free license in Wikimedia Commons and improve the quality and increase > > the amount of articles about diversifying Garhwal Himalayan mountain > > range and other respective variety in different languages in > > Wikipedia. Also to raise awareness among various community chapters, > > motivate them to contribute to the Wikimedia projects and organize > > this kind of trekking expedition in future." > > > > This is in fact 3 specific objectives - (a) collect material on the > > region covered by this trek; (b) generate awareness within the > > chapters; (c) establish the feasibility of a similar activity by > > accruing more value than consumed > > > > [+] The proposal states "Currently this project is focused on Global > > south region which will Improve editor diversity by recruiting new > > editors from this particular target group." > > > > But doesn't specifically mention the target group or, the methodology > > of recruiting new editors > > > > [+] "Trekking or hiking is extremely well liked adventure sports > > through the globe and it will be enormously easier to find like-minded > > open source and free knowledge organizations and initiatives with whom > > we can collaborator with" > > > > A few examples of such organizations would have been a good thing to > > have at this point. Primarily to estimate the willingness of the said > > organizations to contribute to knowledge under a free (or, liberal) > > license. Anecdotal experience indicates that organizations have their > > own rationale and quirks when engaging in collaborative ventures and > > prior handshakes are required to ensure specific outcomes > > > > [+] "This Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal will be the first major public > > activity of its kind and will be pivotal in the increased uptake of > > Wikimedia projects by the populace of the extreme lands in India." > > > > The simplest question for this line of reasoning is "How?". "Extreme > > lands" would indicate a set of constraints that are unique and perhaps > > primary among those being the awareness of the utility value of > > Wikipedia itself. The proposal does not go on to elaborate how it is > > planned to be addressed > > > > [+] "This team of WTM comprises total nine members; among them three > > wikipedians and a female wikipedian volunteer is involved. We expect > > another three non wikipedian experienced trek member to be converted > > into volunteers. > > After the completion of trek, there will be three edit-a-thons, for > > new editors, where they will be educated with proper guidance, > > follow-up and mentorship." > > > > It would be nice to have a draft idea of what can be documented. This > > can be in the form of stub pages which can be filled out later during > > the edit-a-thons or, an assessment of the gaps in the existing content > > around the region to be covered by the trek thus creating a handy > > guide to what needs to be added. This pre-expedition exercise could > > also serve as a metric of success of such ventures > > > > [+] "Wikimedia Commons has an insignificant representation of > > mountains and peaks along with the species, flora and fauna in the > > complete Himalayan range. The available images are of moderate to > > acceptable quality. Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal aims to improve the > > coverage of the Himalayan range by encouraging people (including > > professional photographers) to take and donate quality images under > > free licenses to the Wikimedia Commons database." > > > > The proposal does not mention whether the current team does comprise > > of individuals who are proficient in skills of photography and would > > contribute (not 'donate') images of higher resolution and greater > > variety to Commons > > > > [+] "Increasing Wikimedia's participation in the remotest places (Mana > > Village, the last village of India) is one of the salient points of > > Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal. Garhwal Himalaya is crucial to this > > objective, as a key hub for the whole range of Himalaya. Since the > > Internet penetrations in these areas are low, the end results will be > > less satisfactory. Henceforth, the initial impact will increase > > awareness." > > > > And again, "How?" The proposal misses an unique opportunity to provide > > creative solutions while attempting to increase awareness of Wikipedia > > (and related projects) in areas that are mostly off-the-internet. > > Also, if the awareness campaign is successful, what are the planned > > next steps which can be looked into? > > > > [+] "Encourage Innovation" > > > > This specific topic could do with a revisit. The current shape of the > > content does not indicate any innovating practices or, approaches. > > > > /s > > > > -- > > sankarshan mukhopadhyay > > <https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20150822/e3c7b350/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:38:25 +0530 > From: Subhashish Panigrahi <subhash...@cis-india.org> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Cc: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [CIS-A2K] July Newsletter > Message-ID: <55d8c8a9.9090...@cis-india.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Glad that you liked it, Ashwin. Looking forward to hear from you more > about your activities there in Pune. :) > > best, > Subha > > On 22-08-15 20:41, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > > Subhashish, thanks for this detailed report. Wish I was there for some > > of these interesting events. I'm in Pune now so hopefully, a little > > more activity from my side will follow... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > -- > Best! > Subhashish Panigrahi > Programme Officer, Access To Knowledge > Centre for Internet and Society > @subhapa / https://cis-india.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 819 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20150823/d6d54351/attachment-0001.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > End of Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 987, Issue 1 > ************************************************ >
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