[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-10 Thread
Do any fellow unpaid volunteers have a view on the changeover of the charity from using the volunteer controlled wiki as a front end, to using a fixed employee controlled website? I feel this will be the end of the UK wiki in terms of being a public landing site with immediate engagement with fell

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-10 Thread Jon Davies
Like other chapters, including the Netherlands, Swiss, French, Swedish and German chapters, we need a professional looking website that will attract new volunteers and contributors, not just people who have an existing knowledge of wikis. The wiki will not change: indeed it will still be linked to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-10 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
If someone makes a mistake when putting content into the new website, then that mistake will remain for longer as volunteers won't be able to fix it. On the other hand, a wiki isn't a great primary website for an organisation, and WMUK should gain a lot from having a website that's easier to naviga

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-10 Thread Stevie Benton
There's a few points I made on the wiki that I think are worth repeating here and that I hope can help: - The* wiki is not going anywhere* and will remain the primary resource. - For those who wish to go straight to the wiki, there will be a simple option on their first visit to add a co

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-10 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
I think this makes sense. It is easy for experienced Wikimedians to lose sight of the fact that wikis are not the most welcoming environment to newbies. Meanwhile, people who otherwise might've had something to contribute to WMUK but got lost in the weird world of the wiki will now have a resource

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-10 Thread Michael Peel
On 10 Jun 2014, at 17:12, Jon Davies wrote: > We have smartened it up already through the support of UK Wikipedians but it > has its limits. This is the bit I don't understand. What does the current proposal do that *can't* be done on the wiki? Why do we *have* to have these non-editable page

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-10 Thread Michael Peel
On 10 Jun 2014, at 20:16, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > Obviously for the more regular, hardcore WMUK volunteers, the wiki will > remain the primary resource, and if someone wants to become a hardcore > volunteer then they'll need to deal with that. But for other casual > volunteers, having th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-11 Thread Ed Saperia
Actually, you can hide the top and side bars as well, fairly straightforwardly. For once, I'm with mike. A decent front end dev with a bit of patience really can do anything you want with the wiki front page. Forget the anti-cabal rhetoric for a minute. I'm a big fan of a more inviting landing

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 June 2014 18:28, Stevie Benton wrote: > Our wiki, like pretty much any Media Wiki installation I can think of, is > not very accessible How so? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-12 Thread Stevie Benton
Some examples were discussed on the Wikimedia UK wiki a while back here - https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Talk:Accessibility_of_the_Wikimedia_websites One of our trustees, Carol Campbell, put together a really good paper on this, including some advice from the RNIB which we were given permission to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-12 Thread James Farrar
A charity is to have a website controlled by employees under direction from the trustees who are elected by the members? How awful. On 10 Jun 2014 16:02, "Fæ" wrote: > Do any fellow unpaid volunteers have a view on the changeover of the > charity from using the volunteer controlled wiki as a fro

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
"Thank you. I'm familiar with that document - you'll see that I commented on it, and offered to help (that offer stands), as did others. The issue not whether we could "use elements of" the paper, but the bogus claim of copyright over someone else's work, which was both bad practice - breaching ot

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-12 Thread HJ Mitchell
I, as yet, have no opinion on whether a website 'overlay' is a god idea or not; I've been away for a week or so and I've just read through this thread. I would caution against reinventing the wheel, though - accessibility has been a known issue on Wikipedia for many years, and some considerable

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

2014-06-12 Thread Charles Matthews
On 12 June 2014 11:47, HJ Mitchell wrote: > > "Wikis aren't accessible" is one of those things people say, but nobody > has yet provided anything concrete to explain that position. > Not helped by a required disambiguation: *"Accessible" in common parlance for a website may equate to easy navig