That's a really good point Anika, I'd not considered that having PG
books could be detrimental to Wikisource! :-(
I guess the reverse could also be true? That Google might think that PG
is a mirror of WS, and decrease PG's page-rank. Either way, not great.
How can I investigate whether this is occuring? How did you figure it
out for de.ws?
As for replicating the effort: I figure that if there are people
interested in doing it, then why not! :-) Personally, I want to make
Wikisource the best digital library it can be, and when I show it to
people and they say "oh but you haven't got all of Dickens" or
something, then I want to fix that. And it seems that importing other
existing (free and open) digital libraries can help with this in a
quicker fashion than straight-up proofreading. But I totally can see why
people wouldn't want to spend time doing it! And that's cool.
:-)
—Sam
On 14/10/16 03:55, Anika Born wrote:
Hy Alex,
My comment was not about spending some time on a PG-Projekt or not
spending any time at all.
The point/question (when it comes to de-WS) is a different one:
(A) to spend some of our valuable contributions into a project that
already is freely available (in another format) or spend this time in
a (related) project that is NOT already freely available? (and we do
have a lot of them)
// note, it is not about not spending any time in proofreading or
the Wikisourceproject... it is about finding valuable
projects/texts to invest our time...
+ (B) to spend this time in a project, that may cost us the
findability of the whole wikisource-project (and all other texts on
wikisource) because Google/Bing/others do tag us as fork/reuser/copy
of ... (as happened in the past, at least with de, when we had some
texts of the commercial http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/ that is also
supported by ABBY with a free softwarelizense)
Anika
2016-10-14 10:13 GMT+02:00 Alex Brollo <alex.bro...@gmail.com
<mailto:alex.bro...@gmail.com>>:
I'm too very interested both into the idea and into its technical
implementation, but I need some more doc for dummies to understand
it fully :-(
About importing into wikisource texts alreary proofread: a text
into wikisource is different from a similar text into another web
site, since it is "a node into wiki network", and this goal
deserves IMHO some pain to proofread (and re-format) it again,
adding lots of wiki cross links.
Alex
2016-10-14 8:27 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andre...@gmail.com
<mailto:zanni.andre...@gmail.com>>:
I think the idea is good,
but I would like to try that in my wikisource:
could you manage to take also the few italian books that PG has?
Thanks!
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Anika Born
<wikian...@wikipedia.de <mailto:wikian...@wikipedia.de>> wrote:
corr1: [...] does not ha*ve*/show the scans, [...]
Anika
2016-10-14 8:18 GMT+02:00 Anika Born
<wikian...@wikipedia.de <mailto:wikian...@wikipedia.de>>:
Hy Sam,
would be good, cause PG does not hat/show the scans,
But
as I remember there was/is a policy at de.ws
<http://de.ws> to not use texts from other projects
(say: if there is text A in PG, there won't be a
similar text A in de.WS),
cause at the time de.WS did use PG-texts... Google
said WS is a mirror of PG and all other (not PG)-texts
were left out in Google-Search-Results as well....
The (small) visibility of WS got lost completely...
That is the reason, why there are no new projects on
de-WS about texts that are available in a (nearly)
similar project
(besides the effort: why spending so much time on a
text that already is avilable? - you'd have to
proofread ist at least two times)
But that is this special German-thing.....
What do the others think about it?
Anika
2016-10-14 3:20 GMT+02:00 Sam Wilson
<s...@samwilson.id.au <mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>>:
Hi all,
I've been tinkering with an idea I've had for
importing Project Gutenberg books into Wikisource:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/pg2ws/
<http://tools.wmflabs.org/pg2ws/>
The idea is that, if Wikidata makes a link between
a PG ID number and a Wikisource Index page, then
we can go through that Index page one page at a
time, and copy the page's text from the PG book to
the WS page.
The interface so far isn't very brilliant, but I'm
just trying to figure out if this is worthwhile or
not. Basically, it's a matter of selecting the
right chunk of text in the right-most text box
(the full PG text) and hitting the button to move
it left into the centre box. Then cleaning it up
(manually and with the magic cleaning button) to
make it match the image, and then uploading it to
Wikisource.
It's a bad tool though, because it doesn't handle
the running header, and the copy-across button
doesn't do nice things with {{hws}} etc. — not to
mention all the other things it doesn't do.
Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. :-) Anyone
think this is an avenue worth exploring? Certainly
I'd love to be able to say we've got everything PG
has /and more/!
—Sam
PS changes made by this tool are all tagged as
"OAuth CID: 638" —
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=OAuth+CID%3A+638
<https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=OAuth+CID%3A+638>
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