Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

What Federico is saying is really important in my opinion. Wikisource can have a good impulse offering a huge set of different languages while other digital libraries are offering the usual and most used languages. The best would be to approach the problem step by step and working with languages

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Maybe it's me, but I think that we are missing the real, huge point: *we are not ready for this*. I mean, we, as a community: in the few days in Vienna, we discovered how many problems each Wikisource and community has, and that was the first time we had the chance to meet and talk (at that

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

billinghurst, 28/11/2015 11:40: Please go and write an essay about the matter at https://wikisource.org/ referencing the original argument for the split, and how the reintroduction of a single site would be of value, and how it might be done. In fact how it will be better than now. Otherwise

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

I'm testing a feature of djvu files, t.i. the possibility of upload into a shared internal file, or into pages, *any unlimited text of any type*. Html could be upload (with banal encoding) and downloaded. It's only a play so far; but I think that it could be interesting to explore, since there's

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Mathieu Stumpf Guntz, 29/11/2015 18:57: What about having both central and local versions? I mean, for community stuffs localization is clearly a big pro, and those who are more interesting to get extra-localized works could go to the central repository which would gather all localized

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

There's a unique feature of wikisource: anyone can contribute, even if he *doesn't know at all the language of the text that it is editing* (it is sufficient to recognize the characters of that language). It would be a little bit painful, but I could proofread an hungarian text, finding and fixing

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

> Mathieu Stumpf Guntz, 29/11/2015 18:57: >> What about having both central and local versions? I mean, for community >> stuffs localization is clearly a big pro, and those who are more >> interesting to get extra-localized works could go to the central >> repository which would gather all

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > (...) > > Unfortunately, for the time being, we hare scattered communities with no > software support whatsoever: we don't have a Proofread page for > Right-to-left languages, just imagine how much time it would

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Andrea Zanni > wrote: > >> (...) >> >> Unfortunately, for the time being, we hare scattered communities with no >> software support whatsoever: we don't have a Proofread page for >> Right-to-left languages, just imagine how much time it

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

In theory, I agree with Alex: in an ideal world, we would have tens of developers supporting Wikisource (paid by the WMF, by the chaptes, by GLAMs), we would have many rich communities, and we could surely imagine a new structure of all our websites would that allow us to store books in the same

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Asaf Bartov, 29/11/2015 14:40: One significant advantage of per-language Wikisources is that the interface language is appropriate That's a bug, as well: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58464 I agree it's shameful that WMF doesn't fix the most fundamental bugs which make collaboration

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Ankry wrote: > > What about two multilanguage Wikisources? One for RTL languages, another > > for LTR languages. > > ... and the third for some Asian scripts: > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60729 ? > > And maybe a separate one for

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Le 28/11/2015 14:26, Alex Brollo a écrit : Thanks for interest. I work mainly into it.source, but I often try to work a little bit into other projects too for a number of reasons. I find unknown templates, tools, policies, all from them very interesting; and I do too some effort to import

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Hi, I failed to understand how splitting Wikisource projects in different languages had been a mistake and how that affected communities badly. As part of Bengali Wikisource community, I can only say, we are doing well and we don't want to return back to old multilingual Wikisource. Regards,

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Thanks for interest. I work mainly into it.source, but I often try to work a little bit into other projects too for a number of reasons. I find unknown templates, tools, policies, all from them very interesting; and I do too some effort to import them into it.source, but it's difficult, since

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Hello, Some templates ought to be universally available but if that is the heart of the problem then that does not settle a call for a merge because the split brought other benefits and the template problems will be fixed eventually. Are there other problems associated with the split which have

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Alex Brollo wrote: > I work mainly into it.source, but I often try to work a little bit into other projects too for a number of reasons. I find unknown templates, tools, policies, all from them very interesting; and I do too some effort to import them into it.source, but it's difficult, since

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Unfortunately the communities use different languages. To improve the communication it's natural to split wikisource in different projects. The same is valid also to implement solutions because it is easier to do it in smaller communities than to find an agreement satisfying the whole

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

That's the same I have been thinking. It does not make sense to split it. Besides while for Wikipedia we have Belarussian Wikipedia in official and tarashkevitsa orthographies in wikisourse that would be one project. Russian Wikisourse hosts tests in pre-1918 (or whatever exact year)

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Maybe it is "fine" but I am afraid it is only "fine" for majority (that speaks English or at least one major European language). As an example, note, that there is very few discussion in Chinese in Village pump despite there is a lot Chinese users there and many of them do not speak English. It

Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

Hi, During the recent Wikisource Conference in Vienna, need for global gadgets, templates and module was discussed and already it has been reported in Phabricator ( https :// phabricator.wikimedia.org

[Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

I'm deeply convinced that splitting wikisource projects into variuos languages has been a mistake. Is anyone so bold to imagine that it is possible to revert that mistake? Or, are we forced to travel along the* diabolicum* trail? Alex ___ Wikisource-l