[Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

Hello, I understand the need for cite, thats why it is still there :) But... - We format Cite references list every 100th request to backend, though it takes 8.15% backend response time (thanks parser cache, without it Cite formatting would take 815% cluster time - though developers should

Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection

Marcus Buck schreef: I just read the last category intersection discussion from December to see, what's the latest state of it. While doing that, I saw, that the last message in that thread was this post from Roan Kattouw, providing his extension. Oddly, nobody reacted on it. After 65 posts

Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection

2009/1/31 Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@home.nl: Marcus Buck schreef: I just read the last category intersection discussion from December to see, what's the latest state of it. While doing that, I saw, that the last message in that thread was this post from Roan Kattouw, providing his extension.

Re: [Wikitech-l] The never-dying topic: category intersection

David Gerard schreef: Win! So what's in the way of this going live on Wikimedia? (Commons first? As I said before, the extension was written especially for MixesDB, and has all kinds of features WMF wikis don't need or don't want for performance reasons. Also, the UI is pretty crude (note

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: Hello, I understand the need for cite, thats why it is still there :) But... (...) What about converting these to ref tags? Unfortunately, {{cite}} is the only template I can profile/account

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

A long while ago I remember looking at the parser and realizing that the recursive template expansion and argument handling led the parser to run all branches of #if and #switch statements before deciding which one to include. In other words, given {{#if: something | statements_A | statements_B

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

Domas Mituzas wrote: So, a checklist what can be done ( simple to complex ) [ ] - Simplification of {{cite}} Short of significant improvements to the parser or requireing people to ask Domas before editing the template, I can [ ] - Separate cache for Cite, to avoid reparsing on minor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drafts extension in testing

Hi,There seems to be an issue with the extension: It seems when I saved a draft after editing a section, the draft was considered a draft of the corresponding section number (it was mentioned as Article#Section name in the list of drafts). If the given section was removed, clicking on this saved

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

Would storing an intermediate template improve things? I mean, keep a template but where the inner templates are substed, depending on the original parameters. Robert Rohde wrote: A long while ago I remember looking at the parser and realizing that the recursive template expansion and

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: So, a checklist what can be done ( simple to complex ) [ ] - Simplification of {{cite}} Short of significant improvements to the parser or requireing people to ask Domas before editing the

[Wikitech-l] ordered lists starting at a certain number

Gentlemen, In wikitext I want to do ol start=6101 lia lib /ol but http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html says that is deprecated. In fact I really want to just use # and have that start at 6101. OK, I'll just hard wire them into the page 6101. a 6102. b

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

Chad wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: So, a checklist what can be done ( simple to complex ) [ ] - Simplification of {{cite}} Short of significant improvements to the parser or requireing people to ask Domas before editing the

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

I understand the need for cite, thats why it is still there :) But... (...) What about converting these to ref tags? Unfortunately most of those are designed to format the ref's to a proper standard that we use (Harvard/MLA standard iirc) and are designed to easily updated when we change out

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote: Chad wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Alex mrzmanw...@gmail.com wrote: Domas Mituzas wrote: So, a checklist what can be done ( simple to complex ) [ ] - Simplification of {{cite}} Short of significant

Re: [Wikitech-l] – Fixing {val}

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: {{val}} is just a presentational template. It's trivial to create an equivalent, fixed, parserfunction. We do not want to create a new parser function for every presentational template people come up with.

Re: [Wikitech-l] ordered lists starting at a certain number

Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:23 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Gentlemen, In wikitext I want to do ol start=6101 lia lib /ol but http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html says that is deprecated. It's been un-deprecated in HTML5, for what that's worth. I don't

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: [ ] - Implement proper scripting engine like Lua for metatemplates (http://pecl.php.net/package/lua - another can of worms, though yet again, can be managed via trusted set of people, on top20

[Wikitech-l] Fixing text encoding corruption

Just as an FYI, wiki.freeculture.org has mis-encoded UTF-8 for the better part of the past four years. This is because we used the old Latin 1 schemas. Now we don't have these problems anymore. I wrote up my notes at http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fixing_text_encoding_corruption , but here they

Re: [Wikitech-l] – Fixing {val}

This discussion is getting side tracked. The real complaint here is that {{#expr:(0.7 * 1000 * 1000) mod 1000}} is giving 69 when it should give 70. This is NOT a formatting issue, but rather it is bug in the #expr parser function, presumably caused by some kind of round-off error. -Robert

Re: [Wikitech-l] -- Fixing {val}

Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Platonides wrote: {{val}} is just a presentational template. It's trivial to create an equivalent, fixed, parserfunction. We do not want to create a new parser function for every presentational template people come up with. I know,

Re: [Wikitech-l] – Fixing {val}

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion is getting side tracked. The real complaint here is that {{#expr:(0.7 * 1000 * 1000) mod 1000}} is giving 69 when it should give 70. This is NOT a formatting issue, but rather it is bug in the #expr

Re: [Wikitech-l] -- Fixing {val}

Aryeh, this reaction of “We do not want to create a new parser function for every presentational template people come up with” is understandable. However, I understand that a character-counting parser function in another form has been in the works for a long time but hasn’t proven to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] -- Fixing {val}

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:53 PM, greg_l_at_wikipedia greg_l_at_wikipe...@comcast.net wrote: Aryeh, this reaction of We do not want to create a new parser function for every presentational template people come up with is understandable. However, I understand that a character-counting parser

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

^_^ Wikipedia is already a horrible place to copy templates from. Unlike Wikipedia most other MW installations don't bother turning on Tidy, and Wikipedia abuses that /feature/ way to much. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://nadir-seen-fire.com] -Nadir-Point

Re: [Wikitech-l] ordered lists starting at a certain number

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Daniel Friesen dan_the_...@telus.net wrote: Someone needs to read a good WP article before they start mentioning (X)HTML version numbers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML Both HTML5 and XHTML2 are successors to HTML4. That's all that's really relevant here.

Re: [Wikitech-l] – Fixing {val}

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion is getting side tracked. The real complaint here is that {{#expr:(0.7 * 1000 * 1000) mod 1000}} is giving 69 when it

[Wikitech-l] Character-counting parser function

As I understand it, there is rightfully little interest in the developer community to write a new parser function for every single template need to come along. Therefore, when it comes to a template like {{val}}, which now generates rounding errors about 5–10% of the time because of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

Hoi, Let us please appreciate what is being said here: Wikipedia is a horrible place to copy templates from. We pride ourselves of being open source and the current templates make us as bad as the worst proprietary vendor. We have what is effectively an API and it is not documented at all. Thanks,

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

How is the api not documented? Between the docs on Mediawiki.org and the fact that every parameter is documented (with examples), I'd say its highly documented. -Chad On Feb 1, 2009 12:18 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Let us please appreciate what is being said here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Let us please appreciate what is being said here: Wikipedia is a horrible place to copy templates from. We pride ourselves of being open source and the current templates make us as bad as the worst

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

How is the api not documented? Between the docs on Mediawiki.org and the fact that every parameter is documented (with examples), I'd say its highly documented. I think he means on wiki, most people probably won't know to look for information on how to use it at the main/official mediawiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] war on Cite/{{cite}}

Then that's solely enwikis fault for having poor docs. If developers have documented where expected (in code and on mw.org) then they've done their part. -Chad On Feb 1, 2009 12:33 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: How is the api not documented? Between the docs on Mediawiki.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Character-counting parser function

Output a big red error when giving numbers that will encounter a floating point error? Perhaps also provide a # of use limited #expr equivalent that will use a bignum library rather than normal numbers which can be used in cases where that big red error shows up. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman,