On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Jesse (Pathoschild)
wrote:
> Unfortunately, categories and database queries are inadequate for our
> needs. Someone can indeed navigate to Categories::Works::Works by
> genre::Non-fiction::Governmental::Biographies::Ancient biographies,
> and they'll find all 5 pa
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Aryeh Gregor
wrote:
> What we're talking about (microdata, RDFa, RDF, etc.) is categorically
> useless for Wikimedia-internal use. The only use that any of this
> metadata stuff has to us is exposing info to *non*-Wikimedia agents.
> For internal use, we can make
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jesse (Pathoschild)
wrote:
> Wikisource, especially, is in desperate need of metadata. We have some
> 140,000 pages on the English wiki alone that represent poems,
> chapters, tables of contents, and so forth. These are essentially
> disorganized: we have human-usa
Trying my best to limit length of reply.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 23:16, Manu Sporny wrote:
> Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
>> [ed: Microdata] maps well to the
>> RDF model if you want it, but doesn't force authors to think in terms
>> of subject, predicate, object triples.
>
> Well, Microdata /almost
Hello,
The discussion so far has been about biographical data on Wikipedia
and licensing data on Commons, but other projects have their own needs
for it.
Wikisource, especially, is in desperate need of metadata. We have some
140,000 pages on the English wiki alone that represent poems,
chapters,
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Aryeh Gregor
wrote:
> Microdata is also safe to use for deployment. Like other web
> technologies maintained by the WHATWG, it will not change once it's
> widely adopted, and Wikipedia adoption would probably count as wide
> adoption by itself. Note that microdat
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Manu Sporny wrote:
> I don't know if you intended the tone of
> your e-mail in the way that I read it, but it came off as purposefully
> misleading based on the discussions that both you and I have had as
> members of the HTMLWG and WHATWG.
I do not claim to be a
Platonides wrote:
> Both of you seem to think that wikipedia editors would start placing
> RDF/Microdata interleaved with wiki markup.
> I don't think that could ever happen. The "direct markup" would be
> inserted into infoboxes (which are themselves wikitext, although they
> can get quite complex
I could see the flames rising at the start of this thread, so thank you both
for steering away from them.
Essentially we have a format war here, in which one or other format will win
and the other will go extinct. It might be being fueled by altruism rather
than capitalism, and that's brillian
2010/1/16 Platonides :
> Both of you seem to think that wikipedia editors would start placing
> RDF/Microdata interleaved with wiki markup.
> I don't think that could ever happen. The "direct markup" would be
> inserted into infoboxes (which are themselves wikitext, although they
> can get quite c
Philip wrote:
> Certainly, but if wiki editors are *able* to do it by hand, then IMHO
> microdata is much less error-prone.
Manu Sporny wrote:
> I don't think that the best approach for Wikipedia is to allow direct
> Microdata or RDFa markup. There are already many templates in use at
> Wikipedia
2010/1/16 Manu Sporny :
> I don't know if you intended the tone of
> your e-mail in the way that I read it, but it came off as purposefully
> misleading based on the discussions that both you and I have had as
> members of the HTMLWG and WHATWG.
[...]
> We have a very friendly community
- d.
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Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
> I don't suppose that the members of this list appreciate the epic
> Microdata vs. RDFa battle leaking into this mailing list
I wouldn't use such terms to frame the debate. The Microformats,
Microdata and RDFa communities are not "battling" or working against
each other -
I don't suppose that the members of this list appreciate the epic
Microdata vs. RDFa battle leaking into this mailing list, but I want
to address a few inaccuracies below.
Introduction: I work for Opera Software and have been active in the
WHATWG and W3C HTML WG devloping HTML5 for the last year a
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