Re: [Wikitech-l] Data flow from Wikidata to the Wikipedias

2012-11-07 Thread Daniel Kinzler
On 07.11.2012 00:41, Tim Starling wrote: On 06/11/12 23:16, Daniel Kinzler wrote: On 05.11.2012 05:43, Tim Starling wrote: On 02/11/12 22:35, Denny Vrandečić wrote: * For re-rendering the page, the wiki needs access to the data. We are not sure about how do to this best: have it per cluster,

[Wikitech-l] Very low APC user cache utilization at MediaWiki 1.19.2 host

2012-11-07 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
Hi, At one wiki host there is 5.3.3-7+squeeze14 with apc 3.1.3p1 (both are quite old however these are provided by Debian and I am not a regular admin of the server). The wiki host has about 10-20k visits per day and about 3500 of pages. It's not the smallest wiki. There is apc.ini (already

Re: [Wikitech-l] jQuery 1.9 will remove $.browser (deprecated since jQuery 1.3 - January 2009)

2012-11-07 Thread .
On 7 November 2012 03:09, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: .. == Feature detection In most (if not all) cases of people using $.browser it is because they want different behaviour for browsers that don't support a certain something. Please take a minute to look at the code and find out

[Wikitech-l] reminder - Bugzilla email preferences

2012-11-07 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email You can tweak your Bugzilla settings so that, for example, if you're just cc'd on a bug, you don't get email every time the keywords field changes, the cc list changes, etc. If you believe you get too much bugmail, this is a good place to

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

2012-11-07 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi Daniel, On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 22:56 -0800, Daniel Friesen wrote: Things with the lowest priority should be things that could be fixed. But we've got no reason to implement ourselves. LATER should be things that for some technical reason outside our control, right-now we cannot fix. Is

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

2012-11-07 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 14:10 -0800, Quim Gil wrote: Andre, I don't think we need a new resolution WAITING_FOR_UPSTREAM. After reading Krinkle's and your email I agree that there is no urgent need for it. This could still be reevaluated in the future. andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, am I the only one having difficulties understanding the proposal and what it implies? On 11/05/2012 07:03 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: we need to split the current department into an engineering dept and a product dept in about 6-8 months. It is strange to see engineering and product side by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread bawolff
+1. I love the fact that these sorts of things are being discussed publicly, but I have no idea what the difference between product and engineering is. I have a vague idea, like that ops probably falls under engineering, and AFT like things probably fall under product. However I wouldn't know

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Terry Chay
Quim, On Nov 7, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, am I the only one having difficulties understanding the proposal and what it implies? You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorly

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thank you, Erik. Before (or rather than) commenting, I have a single question below; the rest of the email is just a premise+addendum to it. ;-) Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Platonides
On 07/11/12 22:21, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorly communicating what that means to most people. [...] First of all, this will help greatly to the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever the result, I hope we end up with teams where software developers, sysadmins, product managers, designers etc are well mixed in focused teams going after clear common goals. Absolutely. Teams are assembled

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/11/12 22:21, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorly communicating what that

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your explanation but personally I'm more confused than before about the difference between Engineering and Product, also because the terminology didn't appear internally consistent. :-) I feel like you,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data flow from Wikidata to the Wikipedias

2012-11-07 Thread Tim Starling
On 07/11/12 22:56, Daniel Kinzler wrote: As far as I can see, we then can get the updated language links before the page has been re-parsed, but we still need to re-parse eventually. Why does it need to be re-parsed eventually? And, when someone actually looks at the page, the page does

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Howie Fung
Picking up this thread as Erik asked me to explain the different functions that fall under Product. To do that, it's worth describing in a bit more detail how our project teams work. This may be a bit reductive (apologies in advance), but there are a basic set of things that need to happen when

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Sue Gardner
Hey folks, I think all the conversation about this is really helpful, and it's been particularly useful thus far to hear from community members about what's confusing about the current and proposed structures. (Not being confusing isn't the primary motivation for a restructure, but it's obviously