Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One reason to identify a language is to exclude it from being considered part of another language. What follows is that a single string can and should be identified as not being the base language for an article. Functionally there are great reasons why you want to do this including providing

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 April 2013 00:36, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Says who? I do not believe this is a requirement. It perhaps would be nice, if done sanely, but not a requirement. Says the GPL. To be specific: I

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC query regarding jQuery.ime project

2013-04-25 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Praveen Singh prag...@gmail.com wrote: I am Praveen Singh, a final Year Computer Science Graduate student at JIIT, India. I wish to apply for GSoC 2013 and I am thinking about jQuery.ime extensions for Firefox and Chrome as a project for the same. ... Does

[Wikitech-l] Usage of Wikidata: the brilliance of Wikipedians

2013-04-25 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I am completely amazed by a particularly brilliant way that Wikipedia uses Wikidata. Instead of simply displaying the data from Wikidata and removing the local data, a template and workflow is proposed, which... * grabs the relevant data from Wikidata * compares it with the data given locally in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the page lang support. What do you mean by that? AFAICT there's no existing designated place in the schema for associating a content language with a specific page. Thanks, Erik

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I'm not sure I'd call what you're proposing a major architectural undertaking, though perhaps I'm defining a much narrower problem scope. Yeah. A lot depends on whether or not we want language to be a first class citizen at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-04-25 7:04 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the page lang support. What do you mean by that? AFAICT there's no existing designated place in the schema for associating a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/4/25 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: On 2013-04-25 7:04 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the page lang support. What do you mean by that? AFAICT there's no existing designated

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-04-25 9:12 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2013/4/25 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: On 2013-04-25 7:04 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, We already have the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Support for multiple content languages in MW core

2013-04-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I also prefer not to add magic words in the first place. But if it is added, it shouldn't change the way the other magic words are interpreted; only magic words from the wiki's language should be used. Or no magic words at all - just use a language picker at the editing page. -- Amir Elisha

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Rethinking MobileFormatter / Skins

2013-04-25 Thread Lars Aronsson
On 04/23/2013 08:52 PM, Jon Robson wrote: Thanks for pointing out the __TOC__ magic word. Out of interest - for what reason do we support this? It seems like a bad thing to allow inconsistencies between page content on the same wiki. In some list articles, where the TOC is long and where each

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:59 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 April 2013 00:36, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Says who? I do not believe this is a requirement. It perhaps would be nice, if done

Re: [Wikitech-l] Zuul (gerrit/jenkins) upgraded

2013-04-25 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-24 19:44, Antoine Musso a écrit : Hello, This morning was very quiet so I have been bold and upgraded our Zuul installation. Excuse me, but what is Zuul? -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Zuul (gerrit/jenkins) upgraded

2013-04-25 Thread Petr Kadlec
On 25 April 2013 15:18, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote: Excuse me, but what is Zuul? https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Zuul → https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Continuous_integration/Zuul -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: personal hat on It certainly doesn't count as source code: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it hardly describes minified JavaScript. /personal hat on

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: personal hat on It certainly doesn't count as source code: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: But not in every individual compiled file. Most likely, but even so, for some resources we don't convey the license *anywhere*. In other words, if I have a JS file from an external library that is not GPL licensed (maybe

[Wikitech-l] Anyone using Apache 2.4 to run MediaWiki?

2013-04-25 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
I'm seeing a few reports that people are running into trouble running MediaWiki on Apache 2.4. The reports seem focused on XAMPP, but I tried to run MW against the Apache 2.4 package on Debian and didn't succeed. Granted, I tried only for 5 minutes or so. Is this something we should document?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anyone using Apache 2.4 to run MediaWiki?

2013-04-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.orgwrote: I tried to run MW against the Apache 2.4 package on Debian and didn't succeed How exactly did it not succeed? That's a pretty serious bug. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anyone using Apache 2.4 to run MediaWiki?

2013-04-25 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 04/25/2013 11:42 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote: How exactly did it not succeed? That's a pretty serious bug. I did say I didn't try very hard. I'm not sure php even works with apache 2.4 which is labeled experimental on Debian. So five minutes was about enough to apt-get the apache 2.4 package and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-25 Thread James Forrester
On 18 April 2013 17:32, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: TL;DR: VisualEditor will be deployed on 14 new Wikipedias next week as an opt-in alpha. Your assitance is requested to inform your wikis about this and help get the software translated. This is now done (for de, nl, fr,

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC query regarding jQuery.ime project

2013-04-25 Thread Praveen Singh
I am assuming you have already read about the project requirements and also gone through the source files Yes Runa I have read the project requirements thoroughly and also had some overview of the source files. Making the extensions is one part of the project. The primary aim is to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-25 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn
Hi James, Great news! Is the already given feedback publicly available? If yes, where. Thank you. Claudia On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:09 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 18 April 2013 17:32, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: TL;DR: VisualEditor will be

[Wikitech-l] Have production server access? Please read this document

2013-04-25 Thread Leslie Carr
The Ops team has been working on a document about best practices with regards to production machines. If you have access to a production machine, please read this document https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_access_responsibilities -- Leslie Carr Wikimedia Foundation AS 14907, 43821

Re: [Wikitech-l] Call for new list moderators

2013-04-25 Thread Chad
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, As you may have remembered reading. Huib--our longtime volunteer moderator for mediawiki-l and wikitech-l--resigned from his positions back in February[0]. I let this slip longer than I should've, but I'd

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread Matthew Walker
Additional pressure to update Special:Version is going to come when we start using noun project icons -- like the ones that came out of the Iconathon. The license there is CC-BY but they strongly recommend we put statements to that effect in our 'About' pages for each image resource we use. I'll

Re: [Wikitech-l] Have production server access? Please read this document

2013-04-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org The Ops team has been working on a document about best practices with regards to production machines. If you have access to a production machine, please read this document

[Wikitech-l] retired services / Tampa cleanup

2013-04-25 Thread Daniel Zahn
Hi, as part of our ongoing efforts to remove all unused, non-cluster remnants services from Tampa, all of the following services have been permanently retired. (This means removed from DNS, backup docroots and configs, then nuked. Almost all of them had been temp. disabled in the past so it's

Re: [Wikitech-l] retired services / Tampa cleanup

2013-04-25 Thread Daniel Zahn
as of right now singer just has 2 services left: contacts.wikimedia.org (going to rsync over to magnesium) RT-5018 (and it has been upgraded thanks to Jeff) and secure.wikimedia.org -- here's my attempt to move to (Apache) cluster: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/60934/ everything else

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anyone using Apache 2.4 to run MediaWiki?

2013-04-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.orgwrote: I did say I didn't try very hard. I'm not sure php even works with apache 2.4 which is labeled experimental on Debian. So five minutes was about enough to apt-get the apache 2.4 package and dependencies and go to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anyone using Apache 2.4 to run MediaWiki?

2013-04-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-04-25 2:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 04/25/2013 11:42 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote: How exactly did it not succeed? That's a pretty serious bug. I did say I didn't try very hard. I'm not sure php even works with apache 2.4 which is labeled experimental on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Anyone using Apache 2.4 to run MediaWiki?

2013-04-25 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 04/25/2013 08:40 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: I would say we shouldn't document unless we habe a vauge idea why. Agreed. But I was basing this on reports from people who were using XAMPP, not my lame attempts. Still, I haven't tried to reproduce the XAMPP issue, either. For now, I suppose this

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/25/2013 09:27 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: personal hat on It certainly doesn't count as source code: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it hardly describes

Re: [Wikitech-l] File Licensing Guidelines

2013-04-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I believe you're quoting GPLv3 (Conveying Non-Source Forms). MediaWiki is under GPLv2 or later. Of course, that raises the question of which version the WMF is trying to comply with... Also irrelevant. ;) GPL v2