[Wikitech-l] Last chance to reboot precise installs in Labs

2015-04-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
Hello Labs project maintainers, Today is your last chance to reboot any instances you may be running that have Ubuntu Precise and have not been rebooted since my notification last week! All instances how have a /usr/local/sbin/reboot-if-idmap script installed which, if run by root or with sudo,

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
-- Forwarded message -- From: Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004 To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org On Nov 11, 2004, at 03:27:00 UTC , Erik Moeller

Re: [Wikitech-l] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread Chad
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:45 AM Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: This leads to an interesting marketing possibility, and one that I have seen in action only a few times: the idea that a subsequent release of a product might be smaller or have fewer features than the previous version, and

[Wikitech-l] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread Ori Livneh
From http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=362327 : That software systems are getting bigger and more pervasive is testament that we can at times muster the wherewithal to manage the inherent complexity of constructing large systems. At other times, however, it simply supports the

Re: [Wikitech-l] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! This leads to an interesting marketing possibility, and one that I have seen in action only a few times: the idea that a subsequent release of a product might be smaller or have fewer features than the previous version, and that this property should be considered a selling point. Perhaps

Re: [Wikitech-l] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/22/2015 01:44 PM, Ori Livneh wrote: That software systems are getting bigger and more pervasive is testament that we can at times muster the wherewithal to manage the inherent complexity of constructing large systems. At other times, however, it simply supports the view that creating

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC meeting this week

2015-04-22 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/22/2015 04:41 AM, Tim Starling wrote: In the next RFC meeting, we will discuss the following RFC: * Business Layer Architecture on budget https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Business_Layer_Architecture_on_budget Minutes:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread George Herbert
Merely removing features is not deep enough. This is fundamentally at its origins an architecture challenge, and a development management challenge. Removing features is rearguard action, not properly conceived engagement with the problem. Complexity can be neutral; code size by itself is not

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-22 05:06 PM, George Herbert wrote: He does not seem to understand the harm of complexity, and does not here appear to understand the role that singular architects and dev leaders and style guides and code standards can have. I'm pretty sure I disagree with this. Any system will begin

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread George Herbert
At those sizes, insisting on APIs between component levels/layers/areas helps keep sanity and order. Every system's complexity reflects both actual functional requirements, at whatever level of simplicity was realistic to impose, and evolution of the required features as the uses were expanded

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Comet styles
took us over a decade but oh well, Well Done Mr Pretzel :D -- Cometstyles ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Stryn
Awesome, good job guys! *Stryn* 2015-04-22 9:37 GMT+03:00 Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org: This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. 2. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077576.html -- Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Product Wikimedia

[Wikitech-l] RFC meeting this week

2015-04-22 Thread Tim Starling
In the next RFC meeting, we will discuss the following RFC: * Business Layer Architecture on budget https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Business_Layer_Architecture_on_budget The meeting will be on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on chat.freenode.net at the following time: *