Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Thanks, but I'm looking for something that is more specific to MediaWiki and that commits development teams to specific, standardized, and transparently measured quality metrics as products advance or regress in their path to production release. Pine

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Given longtime experience with problematic releases of MediaWiki features, I think that published quality standards that products must meet in order to become production releases could help to limit the number and seriousness of additional troubled launches. These standards would also reduce the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Just a few thoughts: * I agree that the tone of the email that started this discussion about software quality standards was unnecessarily critical. Even in production releases, users may find occasional bugs. * The intent of HHVM implementation and James' quick response to the problem report are

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-20 Thread Pine W
Do we have a published guideline somewhere about MediaWiki quality standards for pre-alpha, alpha, beta, and production releases of elements like MediaViewer, VisualEditor, Flow, Winter, and HHVM? Pine On Sep 20, 2014 12:14 AM, Jon Work jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: :} I am always

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-20 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hello, On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Rand McRanderson therands...@gmail.com wrote: Here is one idea. A dashboard of top level Wikimedia projects with statuses, estimates, and a key to terms. Or does this exist? There is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Dashboard It