Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-14 Thread Christensen, Courtney
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM, dan nessett wrote: > If a developer has more system privileges than a production admin, to what > extent? Can we assume he has root access? If not, can we assume he can get > someone who has to do things like install PHPUnit? Can we assume the > availability of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM, dan nessett wrote: > If a developer has more system privileges than a production admin, to what > extent? Can we assume he has root access? If not, can we assume he can get > someone who has to do things like install PHPUnit? Can we assume the > availability of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread dan nessett
--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Roan Kattouw wrote: > On shared hosting, both are impossible. MediaWiki currently > works with > minimal write access requirements (only the config/ > directory for the > installer and the images/ directory if you want uploads), > and we'd > like to keep it that way for peopl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread Roan Kattouw
2009/8/12 dan nessett : > I am insane to keep this going, but the proposal I made did not require doing > anything manually (other than running the install script, which you have to > do anyway). The install script knows (or can find out) where the MW root is > located. It could then either: 1)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread dan nessett
--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Brion Vibber wrote: > > The suggestions were for explicit manual configuration, not > > autodiscovery. Autodiscovery means *not* having to set > anything. :) I am insane to keep this going, but the proposal I made did not require doing anything manually (other than runnin

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/12/09 9:51 AM, dan nessett wrote: > --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Brion Vibber wrote: > >> We *already* automatically discover the MW root directory. > > Yes, you're right. I should have said automatically discover the MW > root directory without using file position dependent code. The suggestions we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread dan nessett
--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Brion Vibber wrote: > We *already* automatically discover the MW root directory. Yes, you're right. I should have said automatically discover the MW root directory without using file position dependent code. Dan ___ Wik

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/12/09 7:59 AM, dan nessett wrote: [snip] > For example, people shot down my proposal to automatically > discover the MW root directory because some production systems have > administrators without root access, without the ability to load code > into the PEAR directory, etc. [snip] We *already

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread dan nessett
--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Chad wrote: > > Tests should run in a vanilla install, with minimal > dependency on > external stuff. PHPUnit > (or whatever framework we use) would be considered an > acceptable dependency for > test suites. If PHPUnit isn't available (ie: already > installed and in > the i

Re: [Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread Chad
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM, dan nessett wrote: > I'm starting a new thread because I noticed my news reader has glued together > messages with the title "A potential land mine" and "MW test infrastructure > architecture," which may confuse someone coming into the discussion late. > Also, t

[Wikitech-l] Assumptions for development machines (w.r.t. to test infrastructure)

2009-08-12 Thread dan nessett
I'm starting a new thread because I noticed my news reader has glued together messages with the title "A potential land mine" and "MW test infrastructure architecture," which may confuse someone coming into the discussion late. Also, the previous thread has branched into several topics and I wan