Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-20 Thread Pine W
Hi Quim, If it's possible to have a remote unconference session about this topic as a part of the WDS, I'd be game for that. I'm very interested in having a much better system for communication about UX changes than seems to exist today, but I need to be cautious about taking on this topic as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-19 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:01 AM, Pine W wrote: > Hi Quim, > > Would it be possible to set up a 60-minute Hangouts or Zoom meeting to > discuss this set of issues (UX change communications, possibly aided by the > newsletter extension and/or a wiki page with some kind of UX

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-19 Thread Pine W
Hi Quim, Would it be possible to set up a 60-minute Hangouts or Zoom meeting to discuss this set of issues (UX change communications, possibly aided by the newsletter extension and/or a wiki page with some kind of UX checkpoint)? If so, perhaps you and I could have an off-list discussion to find

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-19 Thread Quim Gil
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:38 AM, Pine W wrote: > The Newsletter extension could be useful in all kind of ways, and I > was glad to see that it's apparently still in active development. > Oh yes, check https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/888/ It would be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-16 Thread Pine W
Quim, I like your line of thought here. The Newsletter extension could be useful in all kind of ways, and I was glad to see that it's apparently still in active development. It would be helpful for me to have proposals shown in the newsletter divided by approximate time horizon (next week, next

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-16 Thread Johan Jönsson
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > Imagine the same approach for new projects/features, security reviews, new > betas, release plans... This is a good way to scale communications without > drowning central spaces like Tech News, wikitech-ambassadors or your >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-16 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Pine W wrote: > The issue which I am attempting to address is not a UI change itself > (good or bad) but rather communication about proposed and upcoming UI > changes. Communication of proposals and changes is a problem indeed. Not just

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-16 Thread Sam Wilson
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, at 04:18 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > * write a detailed list of everything you intend to do in March > * in that month, avoid doing anything that you did not think to put on > that list > I think you will gain some insights about the cost of trying to organize > things far ahead

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-16 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Pine W wrote: > My proposal would be that proposed UI changes which affect large > proportions of the user base should be announced 3 months in advance. > So here is a fun experiment: * choose an activity you do a lot (say, editing Wikipedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-15 Thread rupert THURNER
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Pine W wrote: > > > My proposal would be that proposed UI changes which affect large > > proportions of the user base should be announced 3 months in advance. > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-15 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Pine W wrote: > My proposal would be that proposed UI changes which affect large > proportions of the user base should be announced 3 months in advance. > This would provide plenty of opportunity for discussion, > synchronization, and testing

[Wikitech-l] Communication about proposed and planned UI changes

2016-12-15 Thread Pine W
(Now forking this from the "Changes in colors of user interface" thread.) Hi Adam, Thanks for your email. I don't think that our interface evolves particularly rapidly, our interface makes me feel like it's 2003 again. I'd like to have our interface's usability and our workflows be much easier

[Wikitech-l] Communication of decisions (was Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)

2014-02-16 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Brian Wolff date=2014-02-16 time=18:00:29 -0400 On Feb 16, 2014 2:04 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Brad since you work for the for the foundation and seem to have a lot of expertise in this area and seem to have been one of the more vocal supporters of free fonts

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication of decisions (was Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)

2014-02-16 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: See also: The general rule among many engineering departments at WMF is If it didn't happen on the list (or somewhere similarly public and indexable) it didn't happen. The team I most recently heard champion that rule

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication of decisions (was Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)

2014-02-16 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: See also: The general rule among many engineering departments at WMF is If it didn't happen on the list (or somewhere similarly public and indexable) it didn't happen. Wikitech is great for discussing things with a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication of decisions (was Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)

2014-02-16 Thread Jon Robson
Firstly apologies if my mail was read as public discussions = bad. That was not my intention. The fact I am on a vacation and writing emails on a phone with a heavily bandaged hand (which hurts when i type) surely shows I care a lot about this matter (and the fact that I am doing so on a phone

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication of decisions (was Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)

2014-02-16 Thread Greg Grossmeier
On Feb 16, 2014 4:01 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: See also: The general rule among many engineering departments at WMF is If it didn't happen on the list (or somewhere similarly public and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication of decisions (was Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)

2014-02-16 Thread Chad
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: Wikitech is great for discussing things with a wider audience especially where we need to seek opinions of developers outside the staff. Which is basically almost always :) No one is suggesting that we should

[Wikitech-l] Communication

2011-10-16 Thread Krinkle
Following my my previous mail Attention developers in which I made wrong assumptions. Let's do some discussion first. So, before I go further I'm trying to get a sense of what is currently going on. And hopefully the problems and gaps will uncover themselves as we go. I wrote a page on mw.org