Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-17 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/06/2014 04:05 PM, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 06/04/2014 21:11, David Gerard a écrit : I originally went what on earth too, then I went to the bug and looked at the samples. Here's how the previous font stack rendered in Chrome on Windows without Cleartype on: http://i.imgur.com/9QD1ujH.png

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-07 Thread rupert THURNER
Am 07.04.2014 01:20 schrieb Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com: On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.netwrote: 1. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you are choosing un-free fonts over free ones. 2. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact

[Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Hi! I was surprised to see that Twitter is now the preferred method of contacting the Wikimedia Foundation, and that it is much more effective than long disputes and discussions on mailing lists, Bugzilla and wiki pages. Indeed, it is so effective that it leads to the WMF clearly preferring

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Andre Klapper
On Sun, 2014-04-06 at 18:52 +0200, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: Hi! I was surprised to see that Twitter is now the preferred method of contacting the Wikimedia Foundation, and that it is much more effective than long disputes and discussions on mailing lists, Bugzilla and wiki pages. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 April 2014 17:52, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: I was surprised to see that Twitter is now the preferred method of contacting the Wikimedia Foundation, and that it is much more effective than long disputes and discussions on mailing lists, Bugzilla and wiki pages.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 06/04/2014 21:11, David Gerard a écrit : I originally went what on earth too, then I went to the bug and looked at the samples. Here's how the previous font stack rendered in Chrome on Windows without Cleartype on: http://i.imgur.com/9QD1ujH.png Those crazy free fonts is what make me

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Tomasz W . Kozlowski
Steven Walling writes: The idea that we're just responding to the bug based on one report via Twitter is untrue and absurd. You are responding to the bug based on reports that come from outside the Wikimedia universe — and to say otherwise is untrue and absurd in itself. You saw the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.netwrote: You are responding to the bug based on reports that come from outside the Wikimedia universe -- and to say otherwise is untrue and absurd in itself. You saw the feedback, Steven, with your own eyes, in January of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Brian Wolff
You had almost three full months to deal with the problem, and yet you are only responding to it when people pointed it out to you on Twitter, Reddit, Quora, and wherever else. /If/ you value feedback from Wikipedians, why don't you act on it? Tomasz, We should be having this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Tomasz W . Kozlowski
Steven Walling writes: On the general point: you and others seem to be simultaneously angry that we tried a version without a freely-licensed font *and* that we have tried versions which did have FOSS fonts, but that had unexpected bugs for some Windows users. Which is it? Or is that you're

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Brian Wolff
You are clueless, kind sir, so let me get some things straight. Please keep things civil on list. --bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.netwrote: 1. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you are choosing un-free fonts over free ones. 2. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you decided not to respect the consensus /not/ to choose non-free

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread wctaiwan
On 6 April 2014 19:19, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Twice now we've tried putting different freely-licensed fonts first. Both times, Windows users who had them have told us they either merely disliked them or they have caused unacceptably poor rendering, particularly for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread David Gerard
On 7 April 2014 00:16, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: You are clueless, kind sir, so let me get some things straight. Please keep things civil on list. This was in response to Or is that you're just looking for an excuse to be mad and cause a fuss because we changed the typography at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Brian Wolff
On 4/6/14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2014 00:16, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: You are clueless, kind sir, so let me get some things straight. Please keep things civil on list. This was in response to Or is that you're just looking for an excuse to be mad and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:24 PM, wctaiwan wctaiwan+li...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think we should prioritise users with font smoothing disabled. ClearType has been available since at least Windows XP. If there are legibility issues, we should probably fix it; but if it merely looks ugly, the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

2014-04-06 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: I too was surprised at how many users are A) on XP with ClearType off, which is the default there or B) turn font smoothing off intentionally. I have no comment on any of the rest of this, but with my Firefox dev