Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-15 Thread Denny Vrandečić
One problem is that the necessity to link to a working test environment does not allow to develop ideas with the community before they are implemented. 2013/4/9 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il 2013/4/9 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com: One system that I find a lot of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-15 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Those are very good points, both of them. Thanks. 2013/4/9 Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org On 04/09/2013 12:18 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: I thought that in order to discuss these design decisions with the community before hand, telling them on their respective village pump is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 15, 2013 5:06 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: One problem is that the necessity to link to a working test environment does not allow to develop ideas with the community before they are implemented. Nobody is asking of you to have a testable with every idea you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-15 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, all discussion is welcome, with or without proto, but don't expect final community buy in before we have been able to toy around with it. And even then, some people will ignore the prototype and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, all discussion is welcome, with or without proto, but don't expect final community buy in before we have been able to

[Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Technical changes on the Wikimedia projects can be hairy. We are currently having a discussion about the Wikidata deployment to the Wikipedias, and there have been many examples in the past of deployments that raised discussions. One of my statements in this discussion is that the a priori

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
What kind of changes are we talking about here? What exactly falls under the category of design decisions? Because, for example, my Gerrit change that converts Special:Userlogin into a FormSpecialPage is a design change (in the software sense of the word), but the change based on it to add the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Steven Walling
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013, Denny Vrandečić wrote: Technical changes on the Wikimedia projects can be hairy. We are currently having a discussion about the Wikidata deployment to the Wikipedias, and there have been many examples in the past of deployments that raised discussions. One of my

[Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Steven Walling
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013, Tyler Romeo wrote: What kind of changes are we talking about here? What exactly falls under the category of design decisions? Because, for example, my Gerrit change that converts Special:Userlogin into a FormSpecialPage is a design change (in the software sense of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/4/9 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com: One system that I find a lot of potential value in is the Wikitech Ambassadors mailing list. I hope that mailing list grows and can be the place where we make announcements that should be communicated widely. Yes, that, but to make it really

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/09/2013 12:18 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: I thought that in order to discuss these design decisions with the community before hand, telling them on their respective village pump is sufficient. Not so it seems. No single channel would find acceptance to communicate with the community.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, April 9, 2013, Denny Vrandečić wrote: Technical changes on the Wikimedia projects can be hairy. We are currently having a discussion about the Wikidata deployment to the Wikipedias, and there have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Pushing Technical changes to Wikimedia projects

2013-04-09 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 04/09/2013 12:57 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2013/4/9 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com: One system that I find a lot of potential value in is the Wikitech Ambassadors mailing list. I hope that mailing list grows and can be the place where we make announcements that should be