[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-13 Thread bawolff
Thank you for this email. I appreciate your effort to tackle difficult problems head on and in recognizing our problems are socio-technical, not just technical. This email is probably one of the most reassuring things I have read from someone in WMF management in a very long time. There were some p

[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-14 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2023-04-13 at 20:06 -0700, bawolff wrote: > > "I think there are lots of promising opportunities to incentivise > > people to pay off technical debt and make our existing stack more > > sustainable. Right now there are no incentives for engineers in > > this regard." > > Interesting. Perso

[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-14 Thread tim . herb
Hello Selena, from my point of view it is important to build trust between the Wikimedia Foundation and the community. It is great that you mentioned in your email that there are problems regarding trust into the Wikimedia Foundation of parts of the community at the moment. I have difficulties

[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-14 Thread Sam Walton
Hi Hogü-456, I just wanted to jump in with a link to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product - a page that we recently updated to list out the Wikimedia Foundation product teams, highlight their areas of work, and link to venues where you can have input on those projects. We're endeavouri

[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-14 Thread Amir Sarabadani
This is not really about Selena's email but it's so nerdy I still want to talk about what tech debt is and what it isn't. The word tech debt at the beginning meant a very specific thing: When an engineer takes a shortcut to deliver a feature faster. Daniel has a pretty good essay on tech debt: htt

[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-17 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
Despite agreeing wholeheartedly that technical debt, product debt, ownership, and maintenance are persistent problems, here's a story about when this *didn't* happen, which maybe we can learn from. Disclaimer: this is from my memory of 2014! Warning, potential inaccuracy and rose-tinted glasses!

[Wikitech-l] Re: Reflecting on my listening tour

2023-04-18 Thread Selena Deckelmann
Hi Dan, Thank you so much for sharing this story. Similarly, I once was colleagues with a group of people working on process isolation ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_isolation) for Firefox. They had sort of hit a wall where the memory usage was going to be far more that we thought user