Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-05 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > There's still the "Why can't I log in anymore?" problem.  Sysops can > currently block people, but at least they're told that they blocked, > who blocked them, and why. Yeah that would arise when somebody has been renamed without requesting it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-05 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Charlotte Webb wrote: > So what's the difference, the number of edits? Maybe you could let > regular admins rename the really common cases where some new user > misspelled their namesake pokémon, or forgot to capitalize their > surname, or included a swearword, etc.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-05 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Platonides wrote: > And manual approval. 'niceuser' suddenly renaming itself to "Brion is a > ***" is not good. Well, neither is creating a brand-new account with that name and can't do much about that except block the account(s), which is what would happen in eith

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-05 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:06 PM, George Herbert wrote: > I agree that admins might not be necessarily trusted with permissions which > would screw up site operations.  We do no administrator ID verification, and > the length and breadth of high load website operations/architecture > experience is n

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-04 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Platonides wrote: > Any reason for not displaying an excerpt from the rename log for that > user on login failure, much like on editing deleted pages? That would be a sensible idea. In the overwhelming majority of cases, either there'd be no rename entry or the lo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Aryeh Gregor > wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > > That said, I'm also not sure why we couldn't trust sysops with this. > > Assuming the limitation is not technical (i.e. the servers won't > > explode) > > I think Domas might have obj

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: > Also keep in mind that if someone is renamed without their knowledge, > they'll be unable to log into their account. The error message will > only say that the user doesn't exist, or -- if a user is created with > the same name -- it will just tell them their password is wron

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Alex
Andrew Garrett wrote: > That rename is no more disruptive than some pagemoves with the same > text, except, I suppose, that they would require a bureaucrat to > reverse. > Which would make it significantly more disruptive... -- Alex (wikipedia:en:User:Mr.Z-man)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > That said, I'm also not sure why we couldn't trust sysops with this. > Assuming the limitation is not technical (i.e. the servers won't > explode) I think Domas might have objections if the number of renames suddenly increased by a factor of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Robert Rohde
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: >> MZMcBride wrote: >>> Given that the Renameuser extension now uses the job queue for renames >>> involving over 10,000 edits (and thus no longer locking the site for large >>> renames), is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Robert Rohde
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > MZMcBride wrote: >> Given that the Renameuser extension now uses the job queue for renames >> involving over 10,000 edits (and thus no longer locking the site for large >> renames), is there any technical reason not to give administrators the >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Platonides wrote: > Brion Vibber wrote: >> I'd much rather see a sensible system for self-renames (with decent >> throttling, checks, etc) >> >> -- brion > > And manual approval. 'niceuser' suddenly renaming itself to "Brion is a > ***" is not good. And bureaucrats

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Platonides
Brion Vibber wrote: > MZMcBride wrote: >> Given that the Renameuser extension now uses the job queue for renames >> involving over 10,000 edits (and thus no longer locking the site for large >> renames), is there any technical reason not to give administrators the >> renameuser right? > > Renaming

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Down
Self-renaming would be great so long as appropriate logging was introduced alongside the functionality. I don't think the main rename log should be used, as at the end of the day these new usernames are not being endorsed to be appropriate by a 'crat. But yeah, sounds good. - Chris On Fri, Apr 3

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread Brion Vibber
MZMcBride wrote: > Given that the Renameuser extension now uses the job queue for renames > involving over 10,000 edits (and thus no longer locking the site for large > renames), is there any technical reason not to give administrators the > renameuser right? Renaming a user who doesn't expect it

[Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-02 Thread MZMcBride
Hello -- Given that the Renameuser extension now uses the job queue for renames involving over 10,000 edits (and thus no longer locking the site for large renames), is there any technical reason not to give administrators the renameuser right? And, if there are no technical prohibitions, is this