Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-14 Thread Danese Cooper
On 8/13/10 2:57 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: >> OK. Nevertheless, I would really strongly suggest planning a firm >> escape route as soon as possible. >> >> > Why? The Java we use is GPL licensed. As long as we use a JDK/VM that > is open, we are good. > > -- Ryan Lane > All, You all may not rea

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Ryan Lane
> OK. Nevertheless, I would really strongly suggest planning a firm > escape route as soon as possible. > Why? The Java we use is GPL licensed. As long as we use a JDK/VM that is open, we are good. -- Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@li

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Ryan Lane
> If software is non-free just because someone files patent suits > against those who use it, then Linux is non-free also.  Microsoft has > claimed for years to have patents that make it illegal to redistribute > Linux without its permission, and it has sued one company (TomTom) on > those grounds.

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Steve Summit
David Gerard wrote: > On 13 August 2010 22:05, Aryeh Gregor wrote: >> Oracle is only suing Google because Google is redistributing Java >> without paying them, and because they're using a modified version (so >> technically they're not covered by the patent grants), and because >> Google has deep

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 August 2010 22:25, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > Almost all software might theoretically be covered by someone's > patents, but practically speaking, that doesn't make it non-free. > It's still free as long as modified versions can be widely > disseminated in practice, and that's still the case for

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, David Gerard wrote: > I wasn't aware of "if we can probably get away with it" in the WMF > guidelines regarding free software. If software is non-free just because someone files patent suits against those who use it, then Linux is non-free also. Microsoft has cla

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 August 2010 22:05, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > Oracle is only suing Google because Google is redistributing Java > without paying them, and because they're using a modified version (so > technically they're not covered by the patent grants), and because > Google has deep pockets.  It's pretty imp

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Daniel Schwen
> Search, for one. Java is not free software in practice if Oracle is > spewing lawsuits all over the place. Right, lucene slipped my mind. I suppose there are good reasons not to use CLucene? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org h

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: > So what's our escape plan from Java? > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/16736/oracle_vs_google_over_java_in_android_is_only_the_start > > (I work in a Java shop. I'd already recommended to my boss and boss's > boss that we get the hell off Sol

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 August 2010 21:57, Daniel Schwen wrote: >> So what's our escape plan from Java? > Where are we "with" Java so that we need to escape "from" Java? Search, for one. Java is not free software in practice if Oracle is spewing lawsuits all over the place. (My escape plan at work was to move

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Chad
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Daniel Schwen wrote: >> So what's our escape plan from Java? > Where are we "with" Java so that we need to escape "from" Java? > Lucene. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread Daniel Schwen
> So what's our escape plan from Java? Where are we "with" Java so that we need to escape "from" Java? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] So, Java.

2010-08-13 Thread David Gerard
So what's our escape plan from Java? http://blogs.computerworld.com/16736/oracle_vs_google_over_java_in_android_is_only_the_start (I work in a Java shop. I'd already recommended to my boss and boss's boss that we get the hell off Solaris ASAP. Today we had a lot of Java developers rather concerne