2013/7/17 Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com
It's universally liked, is there almost on every wiki, and provides a
much needed functionality.
Note that this might not be the same version: for example, the HotCatsMulti
[1] deployed on the French-language Wikipedia is a fork of the Commons
HotCat
On Jul 17, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote:
It's universally liked, is there almost on every wiki, and provides a
much needed functionality. Why isn't this deployed as an extension, or
better yet - part of core, than as a gadget? Just a matter of someone
to do the
Tyler Romeo wrote:
Quick question, is there a way in the API (other than action=edit) to
add/remove categories from a page? Because that seems to be one of the
main things that would be holding this back from becoming an extension
proper.
In my view, this kind of misses the point entirely: if
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:23 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
In my view, this kind of misses the point entirely: if MediaWiki had a
proper API or UI for adding and removing categories (or other metadata), a
gadget like HotCat would be almost completely unnecessary. :-) HotCat
exists
Le 18/07/13 19:23, MZMcBride a écrit :
In my view, this kind of misses the point entirely: if MediaWiki had a
proper API or UI for adding and removing categories (or other metadata), a
gadget like HotCat would be almost completely unnecessary. :-) HotCat
exists to fill a void left by
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
Lets move the categories in wikidata ? =)
That'd be nice, but how much time would that take to develop?
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Major in Computer Science
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On 18 July 2013 22:07, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
Lets move the categories in wikidata ? =)
That'd be nice, but how much time would that take to develop?
They're local to each wiki, but they should indeed
On 18 July 2013 17:18, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 July 2013 22:07, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr
wrote:
Lets move the categories in wikidata ? =)
That'd be nice, but how much time would that
On 07/18/2013 05:18 PM, David Gerard wrote:
They're local to each wiki, but they should indeed be metadata.
Worf and Sapir would have a field day with that idea. :-)
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So, summarizing:
1. MarkTraceur (and the Multimedia Team) is working on a way to do
'beta experiments' on live wikis that do not involve things being left
to be Gadgets all the time. This can also eventually help 'promote'
gadgets into Extensions / Core.
2. Tyler is working on an Extension for
On 07/18/2013 05:43 PM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
So, is HotCat replacement extension going to plug into the Beta
Experiments thingy Mark is working on? I suppose there'll be docs on
that at some point of time...
There are some: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BetaFeatures
Matt Flaschen
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote:
2. Tyler is working on an Extension for this (or it might already
exist, as Krinkle pointed out)
I looked at the extension Krinkle pointed out, and it's similar to HotCat
in that it's completely JavaScript. I'm hoping to
Derk-Jan,
Thanks for that list; I know I'll be coming back to it as my team works
to reach out to gadget and userscript developers in the future.
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Engineering Community Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
On 07/17/2013 06:22 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman wrote:
If people don't want to
On 07/17/2013 06:25 PM, Jon Robson wrote:
This seems like a bad habit to have got ourselves into... All it
takes is a trailing comma somewhere and a gadget could take out a
whole browser.
Browsers should not crash due buggy JavaScript. It happens, but in my
experience it's not as common as
On 07/18/2013 06:00 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote:
2. Tyler is working on an Extension for this (or it might already
exist, as Krinkle pointed out)
I looked at the extension Krinkle pointed out, and it's similar to HotCat
in
On 07/18/2013 04:04 PM, Antoine Musso wrote:
Le 18/07/13 19:23, MZMcBride a écrit :
In my view, this kind of misses the point entirely: if MediaWiki had a
proper API or UI for adding and removing categories (or other metadata), a
gadget like HotCat would be almost completely unnecessary. :-)
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Matthew Flaschen
mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote:
You should consider putting the API module in core, since other projects
(including Mobile) have had demand for it.
+1.
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Matthew Flaschen
mflasc...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
You should consider putting the API module in core, since other projects
(including Mobile) have had demand for it.
Will do.
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*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman
d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote:
...
To get what you want, you need:
...
3: i18n support for gadgets.
4: Global repositories for gadgets
aka https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadgets_2.0
6: Autogenerated documentation
See also:
It's universally liked, is there almost on every wiki, and provides a
much needed functionality. Why isn't this deployed as an extension, or
better yet - part of core, than as a gadget? Just a matter of someone
to do the work?
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http://yuvi.in/blog
In general, because extensions are not as easy to maintain as wikipages are for
Gadget developers. They don't WANT to use gerrit, git, go trough review, etc.
It's the same reason why we have a ton of toolserver projects that could easily
be extensions.
DJ
On 17 jul. 2013, at 23:52, Yuvi Panda
Three years ago I would agree completely and immediately that it
should be an extension, especially with localization in mind, but
nowadays VE already does category editing quite well.
That said, VE still requires entering the editing mode and then
clicking another button. Editing *only*
I'd really like to see a review process where Gadgets move from Gadget
status to core. To me a Gadget is a great way to explore a new type of
functionality and prove it's worth but it comes with a cost - it's
very difficult to ensure a Gadget doesn't breaking with core changes
or with the
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
If people are scared of using Gerrit/Git we should create nicer
interfaces into it.. no?
:)
This 'upgrade' happened to WikiLove, IIRC. Should also happen to HotCat, IMO.
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I agree with this. Just for those who want to take a look at the raw
JavaScript code for HotCat:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js
It would probably take me a good week just to understand what's going on in
that mess.
**It has custom JSON and AJAX
Looking at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js,
it probably could also be vastly simplified by jQuery-fying
everything, and dropping support for ancient MW versions.
Perhaps there is already an extension that does this?
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http://yuvi.in/blog
If people don't want to put their code through review this is scary to me
They do get their code reviewed. The rules are however usually simple 'it needs
to work'. Not everyone has time to spend a gazillion hours on getting familiar
with git, gerrit, jshint, git-review, resourceloader, i18n,
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:48 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:
This could be vastly simplified with a nice extension. But, as said, if VE
already has such a feature, maybe it's not even worth it...
Don't think so. Commons is a use case that comes to mind, but I am
guessing that having
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman
d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote:
If people don't want to put their code through review this is scary to me
They do get their code reviewed. The rules are however usually simple 'it
needs to work'. Not everyone has time to spend a gazillion
On 18 jul. 2013, at 00:25, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman
d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote:
If people don't want to put their code through review this is scary to me
They do get their code reviewed. The rules are however usually
Quick question, is there a way in the API (other than action=edit) to
add/remove categories from a page? Because that seems to be one of the main
things that would be holding this back from becoming an extension proper.
*-- *
*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:
Quick question, is there a way in the API (other than action=edit) to
add/remove categories from a page? Because that seems to be one of the main
things that would be holding this back from becoming an extension proper.
Had a quick chat with jared Zimmerman (cced) around this (who's not on
this mailing list)
He says:
HotCat is number one on my list of gadgets to get some UX love and
turn into a beta experiment... If everything goes well while its in
experiments then it gets integrated into core extensions. Mark
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
He says:
HotCat is number one on my list of gadgets to get some UX love and
turn into a beta experiment... If everything goes well while its in
experiments then it gets integrated into core extensions. Mark H. is
coding
CC Lupo, who is the primary maintainer of that Gadget for years.
DJ
On 18 jul. 2013, at 01:27, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
Had a quick chat with jared Zimmerman (cced) around this (who's not on
this mailing list)
He says:
HotCat is number one on my list of gadgets to get some UX
Parsoid would make pulling out and editing the category tags much easier.
This might be an interesting test case for the parsoid-DOM future.
--scott
On Jul 17, 2013 6:41 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:
Quick
+wiki tech
On 17 Jul 2013 17:39, Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmer...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hey Yuvi,
the link got stripped from the mailing list email but its here
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Experiments Mark Holmquist is the dev on
the feature.
Currently Mark is working on the Beta
Well in that case I might as well start working on a HotCat extension...
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*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
+wiki tech
On 17 July 2013 18:05, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Three years ago I would agree completely and immediately that it
should be an extension, especially with localization in mind, but
nowadays VE already does category editing quite well.
This might come as a surprise to
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