Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-05 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com A good document structure would allow useful editing for both simple paragraphs and complex features like tables and templates even on such primitive devices, by giving a dedicated editing interface the information it needs to

[Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com writes: Just a brief comment: there's no need of seaching for a perfect wiki syntax, since it exists: it's the present model of well formed markup, t.i. xml. And, from your answer, we can see that you mean “perfectly understandable to parsers”, but sacrifices

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Platonides
Mark A. Hershberger wrote: Perhaps this is where we can cooperate more with other Wiki writers to develop a common Wiki markup. From my brief perusal of efforts, it looks like there is a community of developers involved in http://www.wikicreole.org/ but MediaWiki involvement is lacking

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Brion Vibber
On Jan 4, 2011 1:54 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2011 21:39, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: If the web browsers of 1995 had had native HTML editing, I rather suspect there would never have been series-of-single-quotes to represent italics and bold... ...

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Daniel Kinzler
On 04.01.2011 22:39, Brion Vibber wrote: In order to have a visual editor or three, combined with a plain text editor, combined with some fancy other editor we have yet to invent, you will still need that specification that tells you what a valid wiki instance is. This is the core data; only

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com Requiring people to do all their document creation at this level is like asking people to punch binary ASCII codes into cards by hand -- it's low-level grunt work that computers can handle for us. We have keyboards and monitors

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Brion Vibber
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com Requiring people to do all their document creation at this level is like asking people to punch binary ASCII codes into cards by hand -- it's low-level

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: Exactly my point -- spending time tinkering with sortof-human-readable-but-not-powerful-enough syntax distracts from thinking about what needs to be *described* in the data... which is the important thing needed when devising

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Erik Moeller
2011/1/4 Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com: A good document structure would allow useful editing for both simple paragraphs and complex features like tables and templates even on such primitive devices, by giving a dedicated editing interface the information it needs to address individual

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com [Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:39:28 -0800]: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Dirk Riehle d...@riehle.org wrote: Wikis started out as *very* lightly formatted plaintext. The point was to be fast and easy -- in the context of web browsers which only offered plaintext

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Alex Brollo
2011/1/4 Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com: Indeed, Google Docs has an optimized editing UI for Android and iOS that focuses precisely on making it easy to make a quick change to a paragraph in a document or a cell in a spreadsheet (with concurrent editing).