Re: State reporting (was: Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file))

2003-06-06 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On Thursday 05 June 2003 04:04 am, Mike Hearn wrote: We have that, this is what MESSAGE is meant to do. OK, cool, I guess routing that into a GUI should be on somebodies mental if not marked up todo list. just another note (hmm, by speaking on this, I fear I am getting dangerously close to

Re: State reporting (was: Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file))

2003-06-05 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On June 5, 2003 01:40 am, Gregory M. Turner wrote: Really... I didn't know that. Then, should we slap a gui into this as discussed previously? Sure... We just need a volunteer to do it! :) -- Dimi.

Re: State reporting (was: Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file))

2003-06-05 Thread Paul McNett
Mike Hearn writes: Basically I think the Wine output should be hidden by default as it's essentially meaningless to anybody but developers (and often, anybody but wine developers). PMFJI, I'm basically a Wine newbie as of 11/01/02 and a Linux newbie as of a year before that, but it was

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-05 Thread Rein Klazes
On 04 Jun 2003 19:57:57 +0200, you wrote: (However, the latest generation of users seem to start their wine experience by point-an-click on an .exe in some filemanager. They won't see the messages sent to stderr. Perhaps we should instead of error message blabla.exe not accessible from

Re: State reporting (was: Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file))

2003-06-05 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:59 pm, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: On June 4, 2003 05:16 am, Mike Hearn wrote: I would also propose a new class of logging message, or logging macro, USERMSG, which is *only* to be used for things that directly help or inform the user, as opposed to developers. We

Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Todd Vierling
All this FUD is getting me hungry. bad pun On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, PETREOLLE Sylvain wrote: : please dont add / to the default config. : - its insecure, since you can write everywhere you want : and some filesystem corruption still exist today. Bullshit. Wine can't corrupt your filesystem,

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread hatky
I am not voting for or against the / config because I have not tested security and viruses but if the / is so controversial why not get the /mnt a default config since most users problems are with removable media. Just a tought, Hatky. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread hatky
And this assumes that /mnt is where Arbitrary Unix OS mounts removable media. For one, I know mine doesn't. 8-) I assume someone could get something more generic, I was just rising an idea that more people could agree on Hatky. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Lionel Ulmer
Now, if someone would like to offer a *technically competent* argument as to why mapping a drive letter to / is bad, I'd love to hear it. Basically, adding '/' as a drive is to help people which are not able to properly configure / install Wine (and who do not understand the 'Drive' error

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)B

2003-06-04 Thread Lionel Ulmer
This seems like a different issue. In fact, this will be solved if we also had a proper definition for the CDROM, wouldn't it? Of course. But if the user had a correct Wine configuration, he would not have had the problem that made Mike add '/' as a drive path... And all this discussion would

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)B

2003-06-04 Thread Jeff Smith
After further consideration, I have come to believe that we might as well have the root mapping. Enough people seem to want it that, as Dimi say, we need to deal with the possibility anyway. BTW, Todd, I hope when I posted the URL to the article puoti had mentioned, that you did not think the

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)B

2003-06-04 Thread Todd Vierling
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Jeff Smith wrote: : BTW, Todd, I hope when I posted the URL to the article puoti had : mentioned, that you did not think the opinions expressed in that article : were by any means my own. Perhaps I should have made a disclaimer. :-/ Heh, I didn't imply that at all. When I

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)B

2003-06-04 Thread Jeff Smith
My understanding is rather weak here, as well. I've been using a call to fopen(/etc/fstab,...) and it works fine. However, I'm unsure as to why this works: is it because winecfg is a winelib app so fopen is actually coming out of the normal glibc? or does wine pass the name through to

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)B

2003-06-04 Thread puoti
Well, the best solution would be to forget about a default config file and force people to configure wine correctly. If / mapping is so important for wine cfg lets have it. But I do think the best solution would be to force people to configure wine correctly, with winesetuptk that can't be

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Todd Vierling
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Lionel Ulmer wrote: : Now, if someone would like to offer a *technically competent* argument as to : why mapping a drive letter to / is bad, I'd love to hear it. : : Basically, adding '/' as a drive is to help people which are not able to : properly configure / install Wine

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Lionel Ulmer
I see mapping a drive to `/' as `proper' configuration. (i.e. If Wine is meant to integrate apps to the Unix environment, it shold be able to see the full Unix environment.) Ah, there is where my opinion diverges the most from most of the people here (and why I advocate a lot for the Desktop

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Todd Vierling
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, puoti wrote: : Well, the best solution would be to forget about a default config file and force : people to configure wine correctly. If / mapping is so important for wine cfg : lets have it. But I do think the best solution would be to force people to : configure wine

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Carlos Lozano
El mar, 03 de jun de 2003, a las 13:22, Todd Vierling escribio: On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Carlos Lozano wrote: : Besides it shouldn't be possible enable ShowDotFiles when your home : is mapped, because it could read your private ssh keys. Now you're getting into serious FUD. If I install

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Carlos Lozano
El mar, 03 de jun de 2003, a las 13:22, Todd Vierling escribio: On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Carlos Lozano wrote: : Even with read-only, i don't like the idea of window programs : reading in /dev and /proc. Why not? You can read //./PhysicalDrive0 in Windows. And winelib programs that choose to

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Sylvain Petreolle
You're not the only one. I didnt write it explicitely on my mails, but this is what make me react on this subject. Ah, there is where my opinion diverges the most from most of the people here (and why I advocate a lot for the Desktop option). I do *NOT* want to have my Windows and my Linux

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread puoti
I agree with Lionel, wine should ideally have a explorer reimplementation, so one would have a wine desktop that looked like a hardware emulator, but with the speed of wine, and I think that a Correct wine configuration should look like this (If one has a temp directory in fake windows, why use

RE: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread PETREOLLE Sylvain
I agree with Lionel too. Couldnt winefile used in this way ? -Message d'origine- De : puoti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 4 juin 2003 00:00 À : wine-devel Objet : Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file) I agree with Lionel, wine should ideally

Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file)

2003-06-04 Thread Rein Klazes
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:57:52 +0200, you wrote: I see mapping a drive to `/' as `proper' configuration. (i.e. If Wine is meant to integrate apps to the Unix environment, it shold be able to see the full Unix environment.) Ah, there is where my opinion diverges the most from most of the

Re: State reporting (was: Re: Major FUD (was Re: Add root drive mapping to default config file))

2003-06-04 Thread Dimitrie O. Paun
On June 4, 2003 05:16 am, Mike Hearn wrote: I would also propose a new class of logging message, or logging macro, USERMSG, which is *only* to be used for things that directly help or inform the user, as opposed to developers. We have that, this is what MESSAGE is meant to do. -- Dimi.