[OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Saulius Krasuckas
* On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Karl Lattimer wrote: And also, accusing people of having an IQ of 0 for replying to a flame isn't in the slightest constructive, Yes, he didn't write any single patch yet that was accepted, still he manages to joke calling one of the developers being a monkey. (Given

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Willie Sippel wrote: You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and handle them just like regular windows (with window

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Dienstag, 28. März 2006 11:31 schrieb Alexandre Julliard: Vitaliy Margolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok so now say with Steam and all of it's games - it will be almost 100% unusable! Because we still haven't fixes managed/unmamaged windows. And Steam itself would be on top of everything.

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Stefan Dösinger
Hello, You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and handle them just like regular windows (with window decoration

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 11:39 schrieb Mike McCormack: Willie Sippel wrote: You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless'

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Willie Sippel wrote: Probably true. But Wine has several problems where a 'real' fix is so very complicated that we won't see something anytime soon, probably for years to come (like the DIB engine, planned for years, but nobody seems to even work on it). In the recent two years, Wine became

Re: advpack: Open the INF file if the RSC_FLAG_INF flag is specified

2006-03-29 Thread Alexandre Julliard
James Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: @@ -72,10 +72,7 @@ static void test_RunSetupCommand() /* try to run an exe with the RSC_FLAG_INF flag */ hexe = (HANDLE)0xdeadbeef; hr = pRunSetupCommand(NULL, winver.exe, Install, c:\\windows\\system32, Title, hexe, RSC_FLAG_INF,

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 13:15 schrieb Mike McCormack: Willie Sippel wrote: Probably true. But Wine has several problems where a 'real' fix is so very complicated that we won't see something anytime soon, probably for years to come (like the DIB engine, planned for years, but nobody seems

Re: Page fault xmlspy 2006 wine .9.10

2006-03-29 Thread Grant Lewis
Eric Pouech wrote: Grant Lewis wrote: It's repeatable. I can launch the progam fine but when I click in certain parts of the gui I generate the page fault and the program dies. wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to 0x001f at address 0x7d62d6 (th read 0009), starting

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Mike McCormack wrote: Willie Sippel wrote: You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and handle them just like

Re: Page fault xmlspy 2006 wine .9.10

2006-03-29 Thread Grant Lewis
I have a new page fault from xmlspy in .9.10... Unhandled exception: page fault on write access to 0x001f in 32-bit code (0x007d62d6). Register dump: CS:0073 SS:007b DS:007b ES:007b FS:003b GS:0033 EIP:007d62d6 ESP:7fbff5d0 EBP:2ce0 EFLAGS:00210206( - 00 - RIP1) EAX:001f

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Karl Lattimer
On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 12:27 +0300, Saulius Krasuckas wrote: * On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Karl Lattimer wrote: And also, accusing people of having an IQ of 0 for replying to a flame isn't in the slightest constructive, Yes, he didn't write any single patch yet that was accepted, still he

Re: What happened to the Fedora packages?

2006-03-29 Thread Neal Gompa
Maybe you should put on the Fedora RPM package site a large noticable notice that says that for Fedora Core 3, 4, and 5, simply using terminal, sudo into root, and then do yum install wine to get the latest WINE packages. Also, note that Fedora Core 3 has to manually be configured for Fedora

Re: Page fault xmlspy 2006 wine .9.10

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Grant Lewis wrote: I have a new page fault from xmlspy in .9.10... Please file a report at bugs.winehq.org instead of posting mail to wine-devel. Mike

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 12:19 schrieb Stefan Dösinger: Hello, You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 02:47:06PM +0200, Willie Sippel wrote: ... Isn't it just better to start with a patch that is right, but will still show regressions, then fix those regressions, as opposed to starting with a patch that is wrong, and then hacking on it forever trying to solve the

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Kuba Ober
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 23:30, Joseph Garvin wrote: On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 17:22 -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: I was pretty serious when I said about Lisp. Once you get to know it, it's an extremely agile and productive programming language that has way more power than Python does. Even if that

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Dimi Paun
From: Mike McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouldn't be much motivation for somebody to come up with a real fix if there was already a half-baked fix in Wine already, would there? But neither does the keep-it-borken approach work, does it? :) Problem is that the breakage is not large enough to

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 15:14 schrieb Marcus Meissner: On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 02:47:06PM +0200, Willie Sippel wrote: ... Isn't it just better to start with a patch that is right, but will still show regressions, then fix those regressions, as opposed to starting with a patch that

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Ray Jones
Being of sensitive nature I'd remove him from the list so he will find appropriate lists to talk constructively in. (Be I wine-devel moderator) Poppycock. The discussion he initiated ain't that useless, and as I see it, he was rather addressing a possible reply denying the (read: /his/)

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Dimi Paun wrote: Problem is that the breakage is not large enough to motivate people. Yep. Just large enough for people to complain about, and demand that somebody else take care of the problem, Now! ;) Mike

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Dimi Paun
From: Mike McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep. Just large enough for people to complain about, and demand that somebody else take care of the problem, Now! ;) One of those things :) Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm glad Alexandre got around to move the desktop to the explorer process. My

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Robert Shearman
Willie Sippel wrote: However, I ranted enough I think. Back to the real problem. AFAIU, there's only a single common/ feasible/ intelligent way to create borderless windows on X11 - managed windows with 'no decoration' Motif hints (the way GTK handles borderless windows). The example I found

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Tom Spear
On 3/29/06, Ray Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being of sensitive nature I'd remove him from the list so he will find appropriate lists to talk constructively in. (Be I wine-devel moderator)Poppycock. The discussion he initiated ain't that useless, and as I see it, he was rather addressing a

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 16:26 schrieb Robert Shearman: Willie Sippel wrote: However, I ranted enough I think. Back to the real problem. AFAIU, there's only a single common/ feasible/ intelligent way to create borderless windows on X11 - managed windows with 'no decoration' Motif hints (the

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Robert Shearman
Willie Sippel wrote: OK, maybe I got something completely wrong. I'll give you an example to show the problem I mean: Traktor DJ Player, by Native Instruments On Windows: The main application window has no borders, appears in the taskbar, can be minimized and moved like any regular window.

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Am Di, Mär 28, 2006 at 03:21:01 -0500 schrieb Segin: How? The biggest thing that makes WineTools work is it's ability to set DLLOverrides via a config file that Wine no longer acknoleges, therfore As this myth is floating around on this list since a long time I have to repeat: WineTools is

Re: server: Fix FPU registers in get_thread_context()

2006-03-29 Thread Petr Tesarik
Dne 03/27/06 v 17:19:47 (+0200), Petr Tesarik napsal(a): Dne 03/27/06 v 08:03:58 (-0700), Vitaliy Margolen napsal(a): Monday, March 27, 2006, 12:51:03 AM, Petr Tesarik wrote: [skip] * Look at ContextFlags to see which registers are saved in thread-context. Sorry this is not

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Kuba Ober
Typos, typos everywhere :) I've resisted switching from Pascal to C/C++ my whole high school, as I considered C too have too convoluted a syntax. My opinion hasn't changed, it's just that for a long time gcc was a tool of choice for a while and learning C was a necessity, pure and simple. C++

Re: Unhandled exception: floating point stack check early in program?

2006-03-29 Thread Eric Pouech
Dan Kegel wrote: See the winedbg session below. Is it normal for winedbg to complain about floating point stuff when the program, run normally, doesn't? Using either 'cont' or 'pass' at this point just repeats the same message. Hints welcome. Thanks, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Dr J A Gow
I was interested to read several comments on this list in respect of such comments as 'IQ of zero'. Such comments were the final straw in leading me to take this action. A few days ago I sent a comment to the list. Nothing really sinister, just an observation and an experience. Before long I

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Jason Green
On 3/29/06, Dr J A Gow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was interested to read several comments on this list in respect of such comments as 'IQ of zero'. Such comments were the final straw in leading me to take this action. Thank you. It sometimes takes a thick skin to ignore the petty and childish

Direct3D, the kernel and ReactOS

2006-03-29 Thread Stefan Dösinger
Hello List, I had a talk to the DirectX developers of reactos on their irc channel to discuss how Reactos and Wine can share efforts on DirectX. (Please leave the legal issues asside for now, let us concentrate on the technical part for now). I didn't expect much possibility for a cooperation

getwinegit.sh 0.31 released!

2006-03-29 Thread Christian Lachner
OK, I'm tired now but this is a new release an it owns ;). It should be quite stable but I didn't test it. So what has changed: 0.31One more Release, I'm glad about this one - Some smaller an greater Fixes - After Compiling, the Script creates a helperfile to help mode 4

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Tom Spear
Totally agreed. Segin needs to be not just kick/banned from the list, he needs to be K-Lined, if not G-Lined from all things wine! With respect to his comments though, on behalf of everyone involved with the project, and with the community as a whole, I sincerely apologize. TomOn 3/29/06, Jason

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Chris Morgan
I'm pretty sure people are capable of filtering their own email. Afaict the offending emails were between two individuals. You may not like them but that has no bearing on whether they should be allowed to post to the mailing list given that those emails to the mailing list are appropriate.

Re: Direct3D, the kernel and ReactOS

2006-03-29 Thread H. Verbeet
On 29/03/06, Stefan Dösinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that this is not easy to achieve. The kernel interface is poorly documented, and Greatlord has spent a lot of effort to verify the docs and to write a better documentation of the interface. Apps using the kernel interface should be

Here is an RSS feed for front page of www.winehq.com

2006-03-29 Thread Daniel Schwarz
I've long wondered why winehq.com does not provide an RSS feed. I've created one using the feed43.com sitescraping tool. Works well and it should be very low impact to your webserver (it only hits the URL at most once every 6 hours and caches the result for subsequent queries) Feel free to post

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Tom Spear
On 3/29/06, Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure people are capable of filtering their own email.Afaict the offending emails were between two individuals.You may notlike them but that has no bearing on whether they should be allowed topost to the mailing list given that those

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Chris Morgan
I'm pretty sure people are capable of filtering their own email. Afaict the offending emails were between two individuals. You may not like them but that has no bearing on whether they should be allowed to post to the mailing list given that those emails to the mailing list are

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Hiji
How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post to wine-devel? How do we choose who gets to email people directly and who doesn't? How do we filter the contents of their email? I want to chime in and say that I'm with Tom and the ole Doc here. I don't think there's any

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Hiji wrote: I know I was the first to respond to Sergin's email by asking that he be more constructive in his feedback, but past that, none of the regulars on this thread said much. Now, his thread has spawned into something that is s far out there that it almost has no relevancy to

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Segin
Saulius Krasuckas wrote: * On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Karl Lattimer wrote: And also, accusing people of having an IQ of 0 for replying to a flame isn't in the slightest constructive, Hardly. I have actually done something good. I got people to addresses the Winetools problem a

Improper message recursion revealed by recent desktop window changes

2006-03-29 Thread Troy Rollo
The recent changes to the desktop have revealed a problem with recursive processing of X messages. The problem started to manifest with commit 1a4f6e579b6aab685fae2e649fd5accee7ec0b4f (7th March). A symptom is a stack that looks like this: application Window procedure

Interesting D3D testapp

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Hi there. I think I just found a very nice D3D testapp: fr-025 by Farbrausch. A nice, small (8.2MB) graphics demo, already works somewhat with Wine (starts, plays, music and everything works, good performance), but lots and lots of effects are simply missing or wrong. It does quite a bit

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Chris Morgan
On Wednesday 29 March 2006 7:31 pm, Hiji wrote: How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post to wine-devel? How do we choose who gets to email people directly and who doesn't? How do we filter the contents of their email? I want to chime in and say that I'm with

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Hiji
On Wednesday 29 March 2006 7:31 pm, Hiji wrote: How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post to wine-devel? How do we choose who gets to email people directly and who doesn't? How do we filter the contents of their email? I want to chime in and say that I'm with

Re: Improper message recursion revealed by recent desktop window changes

2006-03-29 Thread Jesse Allen
On 3/29/06, Troy Rollo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent changes to the desktop have revealed a problem with recursive processing of X messages. The problem started to manifest with commit 1a4f6e579b6aab685fae2e649fd5accee7ec0b4f (7th March). A symptom is a stack that looks like this: