Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Willie Sippel wrote: You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and handle them just like regular windows (with window

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Dienstag, 28. März 2006 11:31 schrieb Alexandre Julliard: Vitaliy Margolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok so now say with Steam and all of it's games - it will be almost 100% unusable! Because we still haven't fixes managed/unmamaged windows. And Steam itself would be on top of everything.

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Stefan Dösinger
Hello, You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and handle them just like regular windows (with window decoration

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 11:39 schrieb Mike McCormack: Willie Sippel wrote: You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless'

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Willie Sippel wrote: Probably true. But Wine has several problems where a 'real' fix is so very complicated that we won't see something anytime soon, probably for years to come (like the DIB engine, planned for years, but nobody seems to even work on it). In the recent two years, Wine became

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 13:15 schrieb Mike McCormack: Willie Sippel wrote: Probably true. But Wine has several problems where a 'real' fix is so very complicated that we won't see something anytime soon, probably for years to come (like the DIB engine, planned for years, but nobody seems

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Mike McCormack wrote: Willie Sippel wrote: You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and handle them just like

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 12:19 schrieb Stefan Dösinger: Hello, You announced working on the unmanaged window problem in September 2001 IIRC, but I guess you didn't so far? Wouldn't, for the time being, a Cedega-like approach be feasible? They seem to ignore 'chromeless' windows and

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 02:47:06PM +0200, Willie Sippel wrote: ... Isn't it just better to start with a patch that is right, but will still show regressions, then fix those regressions, as opposed to starting with a patch that is wrong, and then hacking on it forever trying to solve the

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Dimi Paun
From: Mike McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouldn't be much motivation for somebody to come up with a real fix if there was already a half-baked fix in Wine already, would there? But neither does the keep-it-borken approach work, does it? :) Problem is that the breakage is not large enough to

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 15:14 schrieb Marcus Meissner: On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 02:47:06PM +0200, Willie Sippel wrote: ... Isn't it just better to start with a patch that is right, but will still show regressions, then fix those regressions, as opposed to starting with a patch that

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
Dimi Paun wrote: Problem is that the breakage is not large enough to motivate people. Yep. Just large enough for people to complain about, and demand that somebody else take care of the problem, Now! ;) Mike

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Dimi Paun
From: Mike McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep. Just large enough for people to complain about, and demand that somebody else take care of the problem, Now! ;) One of those things :) Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm glad Alexandre got around to move the desktop to the explorer process. My

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Robert Shearman
Willie Sippel wrote: However, I ranted enough I think. Back to the real problem. AFAIU, there's only a single common/ feasible/ intelligent way to create borderless windows on X11 - managed windows with 'no decoration' Motif hints (the way GTK handles borderless windows). The example I found

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Mittwoch, 29. März 2006 16:26 schrieb Robert Shearman: Willie Sippel wrote: However, I ranted enough I think. Back to the real problem. AFAIU, there's only a single common/ feasible/ intelligent way to create borderless windows on X11 - managed windows with 'no decoration' Motif hints (the

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-29 Thread Robert Shearman
Willie Sippel wrote: OK, maybe I got something completely wrong. I'll give you an example to show the problem I mean: Traktor DJ Player, by Native Instruments On Windows: The main application window has no borders, appears in the taskbar, can be minimized and moved like any regular window.

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-28 Thread Alexandre Julliard
Vitaliy Margolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok so now say with Steam and all of it's games - it will be almost 100% unusable! Because we still haven't fixes managed/unmamaged windows. And Steam itself would be on top of everything. So the way people were able to work-around this is by putting

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-28 Thread Jesse Allen
On 3/27/06, Tony Lambregts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Julliard wrote: Module: wine Branch: refs/heads/master Commit: db6608ac9f9bbc2ddd7f8bf201d1387d079dfd5f URL: http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine.git;a=commit;h=db6608ac9f9bbc2ddd7f8bf201d1387d079dfd5f Author:

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-28 Thread Alexandre Julliard
Jesse Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the explorer.exe program supposed to be in the path somewhere? The only place it is installed is in /usr/local/lib/wine/explorer.exe.so. That is outside my wine drive letters. I have to copy it in to drive C to be able to run and use the /desktop

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-28 Thread Stefan Dösinger
Hello, Per-application desktop mode settings are no longer supported. Apps can be launched in a specific desktop window by using: explorer /desktop=name[,widthxheight] app.exe [args] I have serious problems with games with that patch. All DirectDraw games I've tested(with the

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-28 Thread Stefan Dösinger
Hi, I have serious problems with games with that patch. All DirectDraw games I've tested(with the mainline ddraw code any my patches) because they fail to set the display mode. I have a MergedFB setup with a resolution of 1400x2074, and I disallow mode changes in my X config. With the old

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-27 Thread Tony Lambregts
Alexandre Julliard wrote: Module: wine Branch: refs/heads/master Commit: db6608ac9f9bbc2ddd7f8bf201d1387d079dfd5f URL: http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine.git;a=commit;h=db6608ac9f9bbc2ddd7f8bf201d1387d079dfd5f Author: Alexandre Julliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Mar 27 22:43:03 2006

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-27 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Tony Lambregts wrote: Alexandre Julliard wrote: Module: wine Branch: refs/heads/master Commit: db6608ac9f9bbc2ddd7f8bf201d1387d079dfd5f URL: http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine.git;a=commit;h=db6608ac9f9bbc2ddd7f8bf201d1387d079dfd5f Author: Alexandre Julliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

Re: Alexandre Julliard : x11drv: Moved desktop mode handling to the explorer process.

2006-03-27 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Monday, March 27, 2006, 3:17:12 PM, Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: Tony Lambregts wrote: Alexandre Julliard wrote: Module: wine Branch: refs/heads/master Commit: db6608ac9f9bbc2ddd7f8bf201d1387d079dfd5f URL: