Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-23 Thread Mike Hearn
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 10:54, Francois Gouget wrote: > I believe that's why Gregory proposed to fork their code: because he > just wants a 100% open-source way to run .Net apps in Wine and thus for > him the hard-dependency on Wine is not an issue. > > Can Mono work on Windows? Or, in other words,

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-23 Thread Francois Gouget
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Mike Hearn wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:17:55 -0600, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > > Mono is LGPL/X11 (except the compiler) so we could beat them at their own game > > by forking /their/ code, turning it into a winelib app, and implementing > > Windows.Forms properly ;) > > It

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-22 Thread Mike Hearn
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:17:55 -0600, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > Mono is LGPL/X11 (except the compiler) so we could beat them at their own game > by forking /their/ code, turning it into a winelib app, and implementing > Windows.Forms properly ;) It's not that simple. Unsurprisingly they don't wan

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-22 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On Thursday 22 January 2004 12:05 am, Boaz Harrosh wrote: > Jeremy White wrote: > >>Did any one contact Xaim to see if they can send any MONO people to > >>wineconf? > >>Is there any vision on how these 2 integrate? > >> I haven't even touched MONO yet (& .NET for that mater), but from the > >>loo

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Boaz Harrosh
Jeremy White wrote: Did any one contact Xaim to see if they can send any MONO people to wineconf? Is there any vision on how these 2 integrate? I haven't even touched MONO yet (& .NET for that mater), but from the look of it they better use wine for some areas of .NET. Like .Forms. And certainl

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Jeremy White
> Did any one contact Xaim to see if they can send any MONO people to > wineconf? > Is there any vision on how these 2 integrate? > I haven't even touched MONO yet (& .NET for that mater), but from the > look of it they better use wine for some areas of .NET. Like .Forms. > And certainly Wine L

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Jeremy White
> > As for wine vs Crossover -- I presume that "plain old wine" users are welcome > > to participate? If so, then there really isn't a problem. > > As long as they are talking about usage under CrossOver. We really don't > want to confuse our customers. That's a bit stronger than I would put it

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Jeremy Newman
On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 10:55, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > Looks great to me; although there are not any discussions yet (or are there?) > in the "forums" area to demonstrate the quality of the forum interface, if > it's something along the lines of phpBB, then it's perfect. It's hard to compete wi

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On Tuesday 20 January 2004 08:05 am, Jeremy Newman wrote: > From the desk of Jeremy White (who is at LinuxWorld ATM). > > Hey folks, > > We've just launched a major new initiative, the > CodeWeavers CrossOver Compatibility Center. > > You can check it out at > http://www.codeweavers.com/site/comp

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Rein Klazes
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:36:02 +, you wrote: > > Output attached, a graph produced with gnumeric is on > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~wijn/wine/cvs.png > > Hmm, there doesn't seem to be any particular trend upwards, does there, > except perhaps a slight one towards the end. 1998 was a busy year, I

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Mike Hearn
> Output attached, a graph produced with gnumeric is on > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~wijn/wine/cvs.png Hmm, there doesn't seem to be any particular trend upwards, does there, except perhaps a slight one towards the end. 1998 was a busy year, I wonder what was going on then.

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Rein Klazes
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:24:54 +, you wrote: > > and where we've come to from there, and I think it's doable. > > I think it's particularly doable if Desktop Linux continues to > > accelerate and we get a bunch more help to make it happen... > > Ah yes, exponentially scalable growth. Let's hope

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-21 Thread Boaz Harrosh
Steven Edwards wrote: .depends on what happens at Wineconf. PS. The goal 95% of all Windows apps on crossover is nice but I am afraid I am seeing more and more .Nyet apps out in the real world. For this to happen anytime soon we have to get on the ball with Mono and Windows.Forms.

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-20 Thread Tom
Mike Hearn wrote: Ah yes, exponentially scalable growth. Let's hope so. Graphs of cvs commits/patch sizes would be neat. I might stick that on my (long) todo list :) Here is one, http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/2001/11/0149.html (Wine source code size) its two years old but it's still n

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-20 Thread Mike Hearn
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 19:56, Jeremy White wrote: > Further, note that I > didn't say it would run 95% of all apps *perfectly*. That, I > think, is too much. Ah. The small print comes out ;) > I think back to 23 months ago when Wine barely could run MS Office, Was it really only two years ago? A

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-20 Thread Jeremy White
> "We are confident that Wine has matured to the point that CrossOver will > run 95% of all Windows applications by the end of 2005." > > Uh, guys, are you sure that isn't over-optimistic? I mean, it seems that Wine is > moving > faster than ever before and that's great, but do you have any > har

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-20 Thread Steven Edwards
Hiya, > We've also, we hope, set the stage for a major new Wine > related initiative - we hope to encourage lots of ISVs > to certify their apps against Wine. Yes this is REALLY needed but. > The rationale for this is pretty simple - apps won't run > on Wine as well as they do on Windows

Re: RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-20 Thread Mike Hearn
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:05:32 -0600, Jeremy Newman wrote: > We've also, we hope, set the stage for a major new Wine related > initiative - we hope to encourage lots of ISVs to certify their apps > against Wine. Cool! But. "We are confident that Wine has matured to the point that CrossOver will

RFC on our new initiative

2004-01-20 Thread Jeremy Newman
>From the desk of Jeremy White (who is at LinuxWorld ATM). Hey folks, We've just launched a major new initiative, the CodeWeavers CrossOver Compatibility Center. You can check it out at http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/ but I think it's fair to describe it as the appdb on steroids