Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-16 Thread Kornél Pál
Hi, I am almost complete with implementing mixed-mode support for Mono only some code cleanup is remaining. Note that however this still will not support MSVCRT becuase that assumes that is running on .NET Framework. Also note that applications using unmanaged API (COM interfaces and DLL

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-16 Thread Scott Ritchie
Ove Kaaven wrote: Debian's ia32-libs package isn't an example of a whole lot. It grabs compiled binaries from the official Debian archive, and nowhere else. It isn't built on a 32-bit system. If ia32-libs had contained binaries that could not be built 100% automatically using Debian's official

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-16 Thread Stephan Hermann
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:52:49 -0700 Scott Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ove Kaaven wrote: Debian's ia32-libs package isn't an example of a whole lot. It grabs compiled binaries from the official Debian archive, and nowhere else. It isn't built on a 32-bit system. If ia32-libs had

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-16 Thread Ove Kaaven
Stephan Hermann skrev: When there are people interested in going a hard way of fixing todays situation in debian/ubuntu and other distris, please let's do it , sane and with a plan. There's already work going on to try to get a better solution into Debian lenny. There's a new ia32-libs-tools

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-15 Thread Kornél Pál
Hi, From: Hin-Tak Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't comment on anything else, but after trying to get a .NET WinForms application (mentioned in some of the bugs I filed) for a few months under the 3 options of native linux mono, wine+.NET and wine+mono, I can say that win32 mono uses

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-15 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
Kornél Pál [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only major difference I know is that Mono uses UTF-8 instead of ACP for ANSI functions. UTF-8 will break most of Windows applications since they don't expect to see strings in a multibyte encoding. -- Dmitry.

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-15 Thread Kornél Pál
The only major difference I know is that Mono uses UTF-8 instead of ACP for ANSI functions. UTF-8 will break most of Windows applications since they don't expect to see strings in a multibyte encoding. I know that. And the problem is that there is a mess of ACP and UTF-8 inside native

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-15 Thread Ove Kaaven
Scott Ritchie skrev: Agreed. The one tricky thing here is making a proper source package. There is some precedent for source packages that don't actually build on the architecture they're for. The ia32-libs package, for instance, contains both binary and source versions of the 32 bit

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-14 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Steven Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than ignoring mono these issues make it sound like Wine and mono should try to work together again. The EULA for the .NET runtime prohibits distributing it and using it on non-windows licensed systems so

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-14 Thread Dan Kegel
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Roderick Colenbrander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we really need is mono's windows.forms to be layered on top of gdi32 and user32 for windows controls like buttons, textboxes and so on .. As lots of programs do overrides using native dlls on them, so

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-14 Thread Hin-Tak Leung
--- On Sun, 13/4/08, Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped 2) porting Mono's WinForms on top of Wine gdiplus instead of Mono gdiplus (and making it more win32-ish as a result) Mono is using MS GDI+ on Windows since it uses GDI+. Mono's libgdiplus is only used on non-Windows

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-13 Thread Steven Edwards
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Roderick Colenbrander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a part the issue is that lots of programs are hybrid ones. Some of them behave 'nicely' in the way they just call a few functions from a native win32 dll. I think apps that embed COM objects (like a Word

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-13 Thread Dan Kegel
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Steven Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than ignoring mono these issues make it sound like Wine and mono should try to work together again. The EULA for the .NET runtime prohibits distributing it and using it on non-windows licensed systems so we

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-13 Thread Kornél Pál
Hi, 1) support for mixed assemblies in Mono for Windows I'm trying to do some work on that. 2) porting Mono's WinForms on top of Wine gdiplus instead of Mono gdiplus (and making it more win32-ish as a result) Mono is using MS GDI+ on Windows since it uses GDI+. Mono's libgdiplus is only

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-13 Thread Dan Kegel
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Kornél Pál [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) support for mixed assemblies in Mono for Windows I'm trying to do some work on that. Cool! 2) porting Mono's WinForms on top of Wine gdiplus instead of Mono gdiplus (and making it more win32-ish as a result)

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-11 Thread Scott Ritchie
Dan Kegel wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Scott Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wine-mono on the other hand is probably premature. How many apps are helped at the moment by winetricks mono12 ? I don't think it's a large number. Honestly I don't know. Is this due to

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-11 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
Dan Kegel wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Scott Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wine-mono on the other hand is probably premature. How many apps are helped at the moment by winetricks mono12 ? I don't think it's a large number. Honestly I don't know. Is this

re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-10 Thread Dan Kegel
A wine-gecko package would be very useful. Wine-mono on the other hand is probably premature. How many apps are helped at the moment by winetricks mono12 ? I don't think it's a large number. The wine-gecko package should just be a repackaging of the same blob that is normally downloaded, at

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-10 Thread Scott Ritchie
Dan Kegel wrote: A wine-gecko package would be very useful. Wine-mono on the other hand is probably premature. How many apps are helped at the moment by winetricks mono12 ? I don't think it's a large number. Honestly I don't know. Is this due to inadequacies in the current mono, or

Re: Including Mono within a Wine package - should Wine expect this?

2008-04-10 Thread Dan Kegel
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Scott Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wine-mono on the other hand is probably premature. How many apps are helped at the moment by winetricks mono12 ? I don't think it's a large number. Honestly I don't know. Is this due to inadequacies in the