Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-24 Thread deedee
On Monday 24 April 2006 04:50 am, Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: > n0dalus wrote: > > In a way this holds for mailing lists as well, but I think > > the difference is that forums usually have: > > - Large sections containing non-technical discussion > > - 'Post counts', often used

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-24 Thread Mike Hearn
> I don't see developers (well, except me sometimes) going onto these forums Should have read everything first I should have said developers except me and Scott :) thanks -mike

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-24 Thread Mike Hearn
> Now, I'm not high on crystal meth or anything, but I'll just assume > for a moment that we all want better accessibility for the newcomers > (even with the rise in volume that they bring), and that all agree to > go with solution 3 :-). Thus I'll try to outline a battle plan: Well, my own opini

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-24 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
n0dalus wrote: On 4/24/06, deedee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Forums can tend towards cliques. So-called "popular" forums, especially, can have this quality -- because popularity frequently equates to regulars who always show up and post. In a way this holds for mailing lists as well, b

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-24 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Molle Bestefich wrote: Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: If solution 3 ever takes off, I will gladly contribute with coding. Realistically, though, i cannot implement something like this all by myself, especially not in any kind of a timely fashion. I can contrib some cod

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread n0dalus
On 4/24/06, deedee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forums can tend towards cliques. So-called "popular" forums, > especially, can have this quality -- because popularity > frequently equates to regulars who always show up and post. In a way this holds for mailing lists as well, but I think the diff

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Philippe A.
>Newsgroups might be too technical to engage in for newcomers, >especially if they're already *very* busy trying to make this new >software they've downloaded (Wine) work and everything's failing right >and left around their ears with odd 'FontForge' messages, >seh_exception overflows and what not

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread deedee
Hi all, Having been on a lot of forums and mailing lists, I definitely prefer mailing lists. I've read the various pros and cons of both with interest here. Frankly, I've never found it a problem to do everything people say is great with forums with mailing lists -- and I do a lot of traveling

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Philippe A.
> The 'category' thing sounds tricky to implement on top of a mailing> list (as I would like it)... Yes, categories are nice.Sorry for sneaking into the conversation again. When I saw the Wine Wiki, I was disappointed that the app db wasn't integrated into it. It seemed like the thing to do, from a

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Philippe A. wrote: > When I saw the Wine Wiki, I was disappointed that the app db wasn't > integrated into it. There does seem to be a lot of stale information in there. Maybe a Wiki would be better suited for the AppDB than the current forum. A forum there is fine too, but exposing it like it is

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote: > > If solution 3 ever takes off, I will gladly contribute with coding. > > Realistically, though, i cannot implement something like this all by > > myself, especially not in any kind of a timely fashion. > > I can contrib some code (need to start lear

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Philippe A. wrote: > I stayed away from them for a very long time, until I came across Google > Groups. Google taps so well into newsgroups that now I think all mailing > lists of the world should be turned into a newsgroup :-) > > (Note I keep advocating this suggestion because I'm quite convinced

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Segin wrote: Why aren't I offering suggestions? I did offer one. The rest are beyond our control. To attempt to fix those would be as intelligent as sticking your hand into a boiling pot of water. Let's look at that last one, the sticky thing. This usually means to have a email highlighted in

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)
Molle Bestefich wrote: Hi I've tried to sum up the problems with the wine-users mailing list that are urging many people to call for a forum.winehq.org. I hope it's useful. Problems 1) Cannot post without configured mail client 2) Browsing old topics and replying/posting new ones

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Jesse Allen
On 4/23/06, Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought I set it to plaintext for Wine-devel... maybe it's doing both > plain and HTML At any rate, I never used "stupid" HTML (god awful > colors/fonts/font sizes) > Gmail now seems to be activating html automatically in reply of someone sendin

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Segin
>Hi Philippe, > >Interesting post :-). >I don't have time right now to answer all the pros you mention for >newsgroups, so I'll just throw in a couple of things that I think is >flawed in your suggestion (rude, perhaps! sorry!). > >Philippe A. wrote: I guess you know what newsgroups are, and tha

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Segin
Vitaliy Margolen wrote: Saturday, April 22, 2006, 4:14:28 PM, Segin wrote: Actually, it seems most users like to send messages via their emailclient, but like in another email i sent, they also resent their emailclients for lack of pretty graphics, colors, and the mailing listrestr

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread n0dalus
On 4/23/06, Molle Bestefich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Solution 3: WebForum-on-top-of-List > > > Pros: >) We concentrate people, allowing web and email users to communicate. >) We concentrate (archived) knowledge in one place. > > Cons: >) The

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Sterling Christensen
> > Mailing lists are searchable, but harder than a forum to search. > > Forums let you search by any of text, title, author, date, category, > > Ok, that sounds nice. > > The 'category' thing sounds tricky to implement on top of a mailing > list (as I would like it)... Yes, categories are nice. >

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Philippe A.
You see Google Groups as something very Google-specific and you don't like it. This is maybe because you don't know what Google Groups is? I will try demystifying Google Groups a bit for our readers. I guess you know what newsgroups are, and that they existed before Google. What Google did is to in

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Molle Bestefich
Hi Philippe, Interesting post :-). I don't have time right now to answer all the pros you mention for newsgroups, so I'll just throw in a couple of things that I think is flawed in your suggestion (rude, perhaps! sorry!). Philippe A. wrote: > I guess you know what newsgroups are, and that they e

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Marcus Meissner
Btw, comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine still exists and is used as a forum just fine. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine Instant Web Forum, just add water. ciao, Marcus

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-23 Thread Kai Blin
* Sterling Christensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [22/04/06, 16:10:06]: > Lots of forums support RSS, and you can "subscribe" to a topic - two > ways for forum posts to come to you. Which will fill my mailbox just like a mailing list does, just that it only says "Someone replied to your forum post. Go t

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread Molle Bestefich
Sterling Christensen wrote: > Lots of forums support RSS, and you can "subscribe" to a topic > - two ways for forum posts to come to you. Those are definitely nice features. > There are lots of people who prefer forums. Everything seems so much > easier to me with a proper modern forum. There is

Re: [Wine] Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread Sterling Christensen
Lots of forums support RSS, and you can "subscribe" to a topic - two ways for forum posts to come to you. There are lots of people who prefer forums. Everything seems so much easier to me with a proper modern forum. There is so much that's just impossible on a mailing list. Mailing lists are sear

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Saturday, April 22, 2006, 4:14:28 PM, Segin wrote: > Actually, it seems most users like to send messages via their > emailclient, but like in another email i sent, they also resent their > emailclients for lack of pretty graphics, colors, and the mailing > listrestriction on annoying HTML markup (n

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread Segin
Actually, it seems most users like to send messages via their email client, but like in another email i sent, they also resent their email clients for lack of pretty graphics, colors, and the mailing list restriction on annoying HTML markup (namely none allowed) which if you look at it, is real

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread James Trotter
On 4/22/06, Segin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why aren't I offering suggestions? I did offer one. The rest are beyond our control. To attempt to fix those would be as intelligent as sticking your hand into a boiling pot of water. Let's look at that last one, the sticky thing. This usua

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread Segin
Why aren't I offering suggestions? I did offer one. The rest are beyond our control. To attempt to fix those would be as intelligent as sticking your hand into a boiling pot of water. Let's look at that last one, the sticky thing. This usually means to have a email highlighted in a way that it

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread James Trotter
On 4/22/06, Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I have noted below problems that we can take care of, and thosethat aren't our problem, never were, never will be, impossible to be ourproblem, (you get the picture), because they are PEBKAC errors :) For all of those that don't know: PEBKAC = Pro

Re: Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread Segin
Hello, I have noted below problems that we can take care of, and those that aren't our problem, never were, never will be, impossible to be our problem, (you get the picture), because they are PEBKAC errors :) For all of those that don't know: PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair

Sum-up: Re-proposal: web forums

2006-04-22 Thread Molle Bestefich
Hi I've tried to sum up the problems with the wine-users mailing list that are urging many people to call for a forum.winehq.org. I hope it's useful. Problems 1) Cannot post without configured mail client 2) Browsing old topics and replying/posting new ones happen in two different p