Re: [Wine] Re: wine-0.9.15 & winetools problems.

2006-06-14 Thread Tony Lambregts
Robert Shearman wrote: Rick Romero wrote: 12. wine ie6setup.exe 13. Error. "The download location information is damaged" WTF? This error message happens on Windows 98 too. I suggest that you complain to Microsoft. That is not true here. I have Windows 98 SE 4.10. A here with

Re: [Wine] Re: wine-0.9.15 & winetools problems.

2006-06-13 Thread Robert Shearman
Rick Romero wrote: 12. wine ie6setup.exe 13. Error. "The download location information is damaged" WTF? This error message happens on Windows 98 too. I suggest that you complain to Microsoft. -- Rob Shearman

Re: [Wine] Re: wine-0.9.15 & winetools problems.

2006-06-13 Thread Rick Romero
t; > I updated it with current > > informations. I don't have time to test the runtime settings so I'd be > > glad if you could fill the missing part and send me the details so I'll > > update the entry http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=469 > > Thanks for t

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-30 Thread Dominic Wise
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 21:32 -0500, Segin wrote: > There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ > of > 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is > in > it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer uses/acknoleg

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-30 Thread Tom Spear
ething good. I got people to addresses the Winetools problem a bit early. Sure, it would have gotten adressed anyways, but only after enough complains come rolling in, months or years from now. When I sent the flame, i had a purpose, a plan, and a hoped outcome. The end result was nothing but good,

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-30 Thread Tom Spear
On 3/29/06, Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post towine-devel?  How do we choose who gets to email people directly andwho doesn't?  How do we filter the contents of their email?Segin doesn't speak for the entire community and he

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Hiji
exactly what I am referring to; so, there is no discrepancy. ;) I had in mind Segin's initial email (which was sent to the entire list): --- Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to > this you have a IQ of > 0) as to why WineTools

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Chris Morgan
On Wednesday 29 March 2006 7:31 pm, Hiji wrote: > > How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post to > > wine-devel? How do we choose who gets to email people directly and > > who doesn't? How do we filter the contents of their email? > > I want to chime in and say that I'm

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Segin
Saulius Krasuckas wrote: * On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Karl Lattimer wrote: And also, accusing people of having an IQ of 0 for replying to a flame isn't in the slightest constructive, Hardly. I have actually done something good. I got people to addresses the Winetools prob

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Mike McCormack
le on this list. It's more about not feeding the trolls that agreeing with him. In my mind, Jon is a much more respectable member of the Wine community than "segin". It would be disappointing to see a real contributor scared off by a troll. Personally, I think Winetools has it

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Hiji
> How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post to > wine-devel? How do we choose who gets to email people directly and > who doesn't? How do we filter the contents of their email? I want to chime in and say that I'm with Tom and the ole Doc here. I don't think there's an

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Chris Morgan
> > I'm pretty sure people are capable of filtering their own email. > > Afaict the offending emails were between two individuals. You may not > > like them but that has no bearing on whether they should be allowed to > > post to the mailing list given that those emails to the mailing list > > are

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Tom Spear
ired of users complaining about something not working and it turning out to be because of winetools, we wouldnt be having this convo.  With all of that being said and trying to get back on topic, sure winetools breaks a lot of things, but from what I can see, it also gets a lot of things working. 

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Chris Morgan
I'm pretty sure people are capable of filtering their own email. Afaict the offending emails were between two individuals. You may not like them but that has no bearing on whether they should be allowed to post to the mailing list given that those emails to the mailing list are appropriate. Chri

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Tom Spear
Totally agreed.  Segin needs to be not just kick/banned from the list, he needs to be K-Lined, if not G-Lined from all things wine!  With respect to his comments though, on behalf of everyone involved with the project, and with the community as a whole, I sincerely apologize. TomOn 3/29/06, Jason G

Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Jason Green
On 3/29/06, Dr J A Gow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was interested to read several comments on this list in respect of such > comments as 'IQ of zero'. Such comments were the final straw in leading me to > take this action. Thank you. It sometimes takes a thick skin to ignore the petty and chil

OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')

2006-03-29 Thread Dr J A Gow
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Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Kuba Ober
Typos, typos everywhere :) > I've resisted switching from Pascal to C/C++ my whole high school, as I > considered C too have too convoluted a syntax. My opinion hasn't changed, > it's just that for a long time gcc was a tool of choice for a while and > learning C was a necessity, pure and simple.

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Am Di, Mär 28, 2006 at 03:21:01 -0500 schrieb Segin: > How? The biggest thing that makes WineTools work is it's ability to set > DLLOverrides via a config file that Wine no longer acknoleges, therfore As this myth is floating around on this list since a long time I have to repeat: W

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Tom Spear
e was rather addressing a possible reply denying the (read: /his/) fact, that thisone reason (why it is useless) is inargueable, than a certain person (sarcasm,anyone?).So, Inargueable, eh?Well. Depends. I use both Sidenet and Winetools, they both provide an easy way to have a quickand simple (more

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Ray Jones
ing the (read: /his/) fact, that this one reason (why it is useless) is inargueable, than a certain person (sarcasm, anyone?). So, Inargueable, eh? Well. Depends. I use both Sidenet and Winetools, they both provide an easy way to have a quick and simple (more or less basic) setup for wine es

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Kuba Ober
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 23:30, Joseph Garvin wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 17:22 -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > > I was pretty serious when I said about Lisp. Once you get to know it, > > it's an extremely agile and productive programming language that has way > > more power than Python does. > > Even

Re: [OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Karl Lattimer
On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 12:27 +0300, Saulius Krasuckas wrote: > * On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Karl Lattimer wrote: > > And also, accusing people of having an IQ of 0 for replying to a flame > > isn't in the slightest constructive, > > Yes, he didn't write any single patch yet that was accepted, still he

[OT] Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-29 Thread Saulius Krasuckas
* On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Karl Lattimer wrote: > And also, accusing people of having an IQ of 0 for replying to a flame > isn't in the slightest constructive, Yes, he didn't write any single patch yet that was accepted, still he manages to joke calling one of the developers being a monkey. (Given t

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Segin
Tom Williams wrote: Tom Spear wrote: Java, anyone? lol oh wait wait I got one better.. Fortran... or no, how about... COBOL!! LMFAO gimme a break.. Seriously though, why not break winedoors up into different components, and then have different submaintainers, and

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Joseph Garvin
On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 17:22 -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > I was pretty serious when I said about Lisp. Once you get to know it, it's an > extremely agile and productive programming language that has way more power > than Python does. Even if that statement were true (I seriously doubt you can qualif

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Tom Williams
Tom Spear wrote: > Java, anyone? lol oh wait wait I got one better.. Fortran... or no, > how about... COBOL!! LMFAO gimme a break.. > > Seriously though, why not break winedoors up into different > components, and then have different submaintainers, and each component > can be wri

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Kuba Ober
> > > Can't we do this in C? > > > > I hope you meant C++, unless you think it's productive to do a poorly > > documented and bug-ridden reimplementation of half of C++ standard > > library* > > everytime you want to do something other than a hello world application. > > > > Actually, for tools lik

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Karl Lattimer
Am Mo, Mär 27, 2006 at 09:32:29 -0500 schrieb Segin: There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer uses/acknoleges, thefore, WineT

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Tom Spear
On 3/28/06, Kuba Ober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python!!?! i almost did a C | N > K (that would be cola, pepsi rather,> through nose to keyboard)>> ok ok ok ok although i almos-t ruined a perfectly free and good> keyboard, i don't like python cause i don't know it, and the learning > curve has b

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Kuba Ober
> Python!!?! i almost did a C | N > K (that would be cola, pepsi rather, > through nose to keyboard) > > ok ok ok ok although i almos-t ruined a perfectly free and good > keyboard, i don't like python cause i don't know it, and the learning > curve has been... dreadful. > > Can't we do this in C?

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Segin
Karl Lattimer wrote: Am Mo, M�r 27, 2006 at 09:32:29 -0500 schrieb Segin: There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer uses/ackno

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Segin
Kai Blin wrote: * Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [27/03/06, 21:32:29]: There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer use

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Segin
Marcus Meissner wrote: On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 11:50:17AM +0200, Joris Huizer wrote: Segin wrote: There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in it's

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Am Mo, Mär 27, 2006 at 09:32:29 -0500 schrieb Segin: > There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of > 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in > it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer uses/acknoleges,

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Kai Blin
* Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [27/03/06, 21:32:29]: > There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of > 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in > it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer uses/acknoleges, th

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 11:50:17AM +0200, Joris Huizer wrote: > Segin wrote: > >There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of > >0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in > >it's ~/.wine/config file,

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-28 Thread Joris Huizer
Segin wrote: There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer uses/acknoleges, thefore, WineTools is utterly useless and has no point in

Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-27 Thread Hiji
--- Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to > this you have a IQ of > 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the > WineTools 'magic' is in > it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer > uses/acknoleges, t

Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.

2006-03-27 Thread Segin
There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to this you have a IQ of 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the WineTools 'magic' is in it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer uses/acknoleges, thefore, WineTools is utterly useless and has no point in existing AT ALL, PERIOD.

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-27 Thread Tony Lambregts
ation to the AppDB in order to keep that information for the wine devel folks get some feedback what is going on with, for example, DLL overrides. For example, if the AppDB keeps track of the most overriden DLLs (information "feeded" by winedoors - or winetools 8)) I think wine develop

Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-27 Thread penna
ors should return some information to the AppDB in order to keep that information for the wine devel folks get some feedback what is going on with, for example, DLL overrides. For example, if the AppDB keeps track of the most overriden DLLs (information "feeded" by winedoors - or

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-26 Thread Karl Lattimer
On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 14:02 -0500, Segin wrote: > Also note that most of Winetools prior usefullness was killed when we > killed ~/.wine/config Now we rely on winereg? is that correct (I should know this ;) I've been making some steady progress today, managed to get CD auto detect

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-25 Thread Segin
Also note that most of Winetools prior usefullness was killed when we killed ~/.wine/config Dr J A Gow wrote: Karl Lattimer wrote: Fair point that it has been useful to you, it has been useful to me also. Here's what I see. * An over complicated bash script, with way too many difficu

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-25 Thread Mike Hearn
Guys, WineTools clearly works for some people, there's no need to lay into it. After all, Wine itself has some slightly ugly areas of code still :)

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-25 Thread Karl Lattimer
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 19:00 +, Dr J A Gow wrote: > > I've looked through the winetools code and it is a clusterf*ck of > > nonsense. It appears to be in the final stages of code rot, however > > This "clusterf*ck of nonsense" helped me to get a microcontr

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-25 Thread Dr J A Gow
ss' of Wine when it comes to a necessary rush-job. I should add I don't use Winetools as a matter of course - I used it once to get me out of a hole, and it did! What I am proposing and indeed working on is; * An appdb integrated application manager * A clean UI which fits with gnome HIG *

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-24 Thread Dr J A Gow
I've looked through the winetools code and it is a clusterf*ck of nonsense. It appears to be in the final stages of code rot, however This "clusterf*ck of nonsense" helped me to get a microcontroller development suite running under Wine, which otherwise would not install nativ

Re: Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-24 Thread Segin
Karl Lattimer wrote: [...] I've looked through the winetools code and it is a clusterf*ck of nonsense. It appears to be in the final stages of code rot [...] Is THIS enough to get rid of Winetools?

Winetools -> wine doors

2006-03-24 Thread Karl Lattimer
I read your story about winetools a couple weeks ago around the same time that I tried using winetools on FC5 test 3, it didn't go well with winetools and I was looking for another solution and couldn't find one that fitted well with my criteria. I started thinking of packages lik

Re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-17 Thread Dan Kegel
On 3/17/06, Joachim von Thadden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Do, Mär 16, 2006 at 11:41:53 -0800 schrieb Dan Kegel: > > Instead, it should just be a couple of checkboxes for > > optional things like dcom98 and IE6, shouldn't it? > > I think this is not enough. After you installed IE6 how do you w

Re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-17 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Am Do, Mär 16, 2006 at 11:41:53 -0800 schrieb Dan Kegel: > Instead, it should just be a couple of checkboxes for > optional things like dcom98 and IE6, shouldn't it? I think this is not enough. After you installed IE6 how do you want to disable it? Many apps are looking directly for it. They will

Re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-16 Thread Dan Kegel
On 3/16/06, Joachim von Thadden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >This is exactly what we try to have with the next version of WineTools. > > > > Right, but Mike meant "without installing any Microsoft libraries". > > Sure, that's why we integrate a &

Re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-16 Thread Joachim von Thadden
ion changes. > >> > >> Click -> Download application -> Install -> Run > > > >This is exactly what we try to have with the next version of WineTools. > > Right, but Mike meant "without installing any Microsoft libraries". Sure, that's why we integra

re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-16 Thread Dan Kegel
n > >This is exactly what we try to have with the next version of WineTools. Right, but Mike meant "without installing any Microsoft libraries". - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv

Re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-16 Thread Tony Lambregts
Philip V. Neves wrote: What I'm seeing here with the whole debate with wine and winetools is that its a configuration management issue. The project is getting into the stage where testing needs to be accomodated and so does getting things working. I think whats currently availabl

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-16 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Am Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:55:20AM +0100 schrieb Sven Paschukat: > Marcus Meissner schrieb: > >Hmm, I have some kind of recommendation here. > > > >What about winetools using ".winetools" as WINEPREFIX setting? > > > >This would make it poss

Re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-15 Thread Joachim von Thadden
h a > list of freely downloadable applications that work "out of the box" with > no configuration changes. > > Click -> Download application -> Install -> Run This is exactly what we try to have with the next version of WineTools. Regards Joachim von Thadden -- "Never touch a running system! Never run a touching system? Never run a touchy system!!!"

Re: My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-15 Thread Mike McCormack
Philip V. Neves wrote: Something that interfaces with the AppDB would be good. It would make things easier. I think, given the complaints given by the developers are also valid but so are the complaints made by the people trying to use the program and even the testers. Most other projects do

My two cents about winetools and the suggestions I read in Issue 308

2006-03-15 Thread Philip V. Neves
What I'm seeing here with the whole debate with wine and winetools is that its a configuration management issue. The project is getting into the stage where testing needs to be accomodated and so does getting things working. I think whats currently available for managing configuratio

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-13 Thread Jan Z.
Thank you, Andreas Jaeger for the clarification regarding the inclusion of Winetools in SUSE. On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:27:23PM +0100, Joachim von Thadden wrote: > Am Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:41:06PM +0100 schrieb Jan Zerebecki: > > Winetools is only sporadically updated for new ve

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-11 Thread Tony Lambregts
Jason Green wrote: On 3/11/06, Tony Lambregts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In simple terms we get WineTools to query the AppDB with an application name (ie somename.exe) and we return a list of applications for the user to choose from and the after the user selects the program WineTools ge

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-11 Thread Jason Green
On 3/11/06, Tony Lambregts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In simple terms we get WineTools to query the AppDB with an application name > (ie > somename.exe) and we return a list of applications for the user to choose from > and the after the user selects the program WineTools ge

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-11 Thread Tony Lambregts
the Wine developers have accomplished so far; however, I feel that those that have put the effort into Winetools have done so because they saw a need and filled it. In the realm of ease of use and user-friendliness, Wine is horribly lacking. Yes, it is getting better, but I think that Winetoo

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Tom Wickline
On 3/9/06, Joachim von Thadden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This leads to many users asking for help in #winehq on freenode. > > But nobody there wants to support winetools and thus can only > > suggest them to remove their .wine and redo it without winetools >

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Mike McCormack
As it stands, WineTools somewhat impedes testing and bug reporting of Wine versions of dlls (eg. ole32, oleaut32, rpcrt4) since you encourage your users to use Windows versions of those dlls, even though the Wine ones work for many applications. IMHO, the Wine developers should spend less time b*t

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Rich Gilson
On Thursday 09 March 2006 08:27, Joachim von Thadden wrote: > Am Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:41:06PM +0100 schrieb Jan Zerebecki: > > I think a quote from http://www.winehq.org/site/download somewhat > > sums up the cencus on this list regarding Winetools: "WineTools > >

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Sven Paschukat
Marcus Meissner schrieb: Hmm, I have some kind of recommendation here. What about winetools using ".winetools" as WINEPREFIX setting? This would make it possible to keep a ".wine" for the purists, and ".winetools" for the "just get things done" peopl

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Hiji
> Hmm, I have some kind of recommendation here. > > What about winetools using ".winetools" as > WINEPREFIX setting? > > This would make it possible to keep a ".wine" for > the purists, and > ".winetools" for the "just get things done

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Marcus Meissner
> > Currently no Winetools developer works closely with the Wine > > developers to correct problems of interaction between Winetools > > and Wine. > > What does that mean? We are making a tool to make Windows programs run > with Wine. We do not develop Wine and our mai

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Jan Zerebecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi. > > For Andreas Jaeger: I CCed you, because you said on > http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Packages_that_are_already_there > that Winetools got included for the next SUSE release. I hope you > are the correct person to talk to

Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Am Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:41:06PM +0100 schrieb Jan Zerebecki: > I think a quote from http://www.winehq.org/site/download somewhat > sums up the cencus on this list regarding Winetools: "WineTools > [is] only recommended if installation or operability of Windows > software fa

May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release

2006-03-09 Thread Jan Zerebecki
Hi. For Andreas Jaeger: I CCed you, because you said on http://en.opensuse.org/Wishlist_Packages_that_are_already_there that Winetools got included for the next SUSE release. I hope you are the correct person to talk to or at least can forward this to someone who is. The following might be

Re: [Fwd: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!]

2006-01-24 Thread Tony Lambregts
Joachim von Thadden wrote: I understand the goal of WineTools and I can see both sides of this issue but for for some of us it really is frustrating because it makes our jobs harder. The purpose of WineTools is not to "undermine" and also it is, was and will never meant to

Re: [Fwd: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!]

2006-01-24 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Am Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 09:16:21AM -0800 schrieb Juan Lang: > I support winetools, though I don't use it myself. Not only as a matter > of principle (this is open source we're talking about, and one of the > beauties is we don't get to constrain how it's used.) Als

Re: [Fwd: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!]

2006-01-24 Thread Joachim von Thadden
they are clicking on, or not > be presented with the bad choices. With the way it is _ALL_ new times > visiting http://www.winehq.org/site/download have an impressions that > winetools are the absolute requirement and download and install them. I do not know whether this is true. Me myself

Re: LostWages: add a note to the WineTools link

2006-01-24 Thread Dmitry Timoshkov
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 21:01 +0100, Sven Paschukat wrote: > as Vitaly noted it is not always clear that WineTools is not a > requirement for using Wine, so let the users decide if they want to test > or just want to use Wine. > "... or if you want to get best chances of

Re: [Fwd: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!]

2006-01-24 Thread Chris Morgan
I'm not sure we need a counterpoint to Vitaliy. The fact that it took over a month to hear back from the winetools guys seems like reason enough to pull it from the downloads page. Winetools might be a useful tool but we can't have wine's users depending on them if we developers

Re: [Fwd: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!]

2006-01-24 Thread Juan Lang
Hm. Felt I needed to offer a counterpoint to Vitaliy's rather enthusiastic response. I support winetools, though I don't use it myself. Not only as a matter of principle (this is open source we're talking about, and one of the beauties is we don't get to constrain how it&#x

Re: [Fwd: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!]

2006-01-24 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
M and/or many of the > builtin DLLs that come with the IE6. To find a configuration for as many > apps as possible was one of the goals. Not to force users (with very low > skills) to have many different wine installations *and* many wine user > directories was a second goal. So this is

Re: [Fwd: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!]

2006-01-24 Thread Joachim von Thadden
Dear developers and all others reading this list, from Sven Paschukat I was informed about the discussion of removing the WineTools link from the winehq website. I read all remarks made to that hotly discussed topic and I am willing to tell you all a bit about the purpose and history of WineTools

Re: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!

2005-12-30 Thread Sven Paschukat
I'll contact Joachim to get a statement. But plz give us some days... Sven Marcus Meissner schrieb: Could some one from the WineTools project give us a update on our concerns here? I am not even sure Joachim von Thadden is subscribed here. Ciao, Marcus

Re: WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!

2005-12-30 Thread Marcus Meissner
> Could some one from the WineTools project give us a update on our concerns > here? I am not even sure Joachim von Thadden is subscribed here. Ciao, Marcus

WineTools is in need of some major house cleaning!

2005-12-30 Thread Tom Wickline
Hello Everyone, Anyone who reads the posting on this list already knows that I stood up for the wineTools project and almost made a couple enemies... But me and Vitaliy came to a half way agreement on whether or not we should keep the link on our downloads page to WineTools I feel I need to

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-24 Thread Tom Wickline
On 12/24/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:22:19 +0100, Vitaliy Margolen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As such, you are just _a_ user of Wine that fails to listen. And there is > no point to speak with you about something that you are not even a part of.

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-24 Thread peter
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:22:19 +0100, Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As such, you are just _a_ user of Wine that fails to listen. And there is no point to speak with you about something that you are not even a part of. well since once again you prefer to ignore or not even read mo

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Friday, December 23, 2005, 6:16:17 PM, Tom Wickline wrote: > On 12/23/05, Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Friday, December 23, 2005, 11:36:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > I suppose everyone needs to feel important somewhere - some more than >> > others. >> >> Before we get perso

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Tom Wickline
On 12/23/05, Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Friday, December 23, 2005, 11:36:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I suppose everyone needs to feel important somewhere - some more than > > others. > > Before we get personal, and start discussing who did what, please stop by > on #wineh

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Joseph Garvin
#x27;t get those types of reports as often as we should. One reason why we don't get these reports is because users have winetools to make wine easier. They don't run wine directly, configure wine with winecfg, and stumble over any usability issues. That is why this issue began in the

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Chris Morgan
On 12/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:42:14 +0100, Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I'm going to have to side with Vitaliy on this one. I've helped > > dozens of users in #winehq that have

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Friday, December 23, 2005, 11:36:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I suppose everyone needs to feel important somewhere - some more than > others. Before we get personal, and start discussing who did what, please stop by on #winehq. Then well'll talk.

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread wino
ly and you daren't step out of bed. So pls don't start this BS about winetools are good, they help users but use them on your own risk agreeing that you comply with all licenses. I dont ever recall saying winetools was good, but I think choice is. Authors of winetools know we

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
s a whole. That's why we have to be _really careful_ what we "officially" recommend to users. Look at what happened to original Napster. Judge didn't care what their intentions were. But he did looked at what it was _meant_ to be used for. So pls don't start this BS about winet

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread wino
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:33:05 +0100, Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm still insisting...and in most cases against the law. Everyone is responsible for thier own actions. Someone who makes a hammer is not responsible for a murder comitted with it. How does wine ensur

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Chris Morgan
I'm going to have to side with Vitaliy on this one. I've helped dozens of users in #winehq that have had problems with wine due to winetools since we made the changes to remove the .config file. Apparently winetools has been upgraded to work with 0.9x versions of wine, this is

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Friday, December 23, 2005, 6:13:30 AM, Tom Wickline wrote: > The Wine Tools maintainers have agreed to look into the problems that > you have brought to the surface, can we please drop this subject? No. I'm still insisting on removing winetools from the download page. They are again

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Tom Wickline
On 12/23/05, Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On a slightly related note, in CrossOver we force a whole bunch of DLLs > > to be builtin, like ole32, oleaut32, rpcrt4 and msi. Maybe we should do > > the same for Wine? > Well we could add them to the override list I guess. But I think

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread wino
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:58:03 +0100, Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 6. "Version"="win98" - that is wrong. Wine's default _is_ win2k. It is right for the goal of the winetools. Again, this is why it's titled "3rd Party Tools". No,

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-23 Thread Sven Paschukat
Vitaliy Margolen schrieb: I do not have Wine installed. All I have is wine symlink in my ~/bin dir. And winetools could not find wine nor winecfg. So when I ran wt it complained about that. That's a situation we don't have expected. I will try to make a fix. Mm looking at thos

Re: [lostwages] Remove winetools from download page

2005-12-22 Thread James Hawkins
don't get those types of reports as often as we should. One reason why we don't get these reports is because users have winetools to make wine easier. They don't run wine directly, configure wine with winecfg, and stumble over any usability issues. That is why this issue began in

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