Re: [WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems

2008-02-13 Thread Jack Unger
Yep. Very few people (less than 5%) who deploy dense wireless LANs understand that the interference radius around each access point omni antenna is 4 times to 8 times (or more) GREATER than the usable communications radius. People end up putting too many access points too close together result

Re: [WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems

2008-02-13 Thread Dylan Oliver
I strongly suspect that Alvarion would not "blow this test out of the water" because they, like Cisco and Aruba, do nothing (so far as I know) to coordinate transmissions to mitigate self-interference. Meru does, and this is why it comes out so far ahead. According to Belanger, at some points in t

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread George Rogato
Don't you see real time active rissi etc when you look into the ap's interface listing all the clients? Travis Johnson wrote: > What I really want is a way to right-click on an entry in the > Registration table and have an option that says "Linktest". It would > test sending 100 packets each d

[WISPA] 30megs @ 10MHz

2008-02-13 Thread George Rogato
http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/30megs/30megs.JPG This afternoon while I was at the shop I noticed the internet was very sluggish. So I opened up an ssh session into the tower ap that is serving my shop. It was saying 3,900 to 4,000 something kbps in the interface. I was thinking for a second

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread Travis Johnson
What I really want is a way to right-click on an entry in the Registration table and have an option that says "Linktest". It would test sending 100 packets each direction, 10 times. It would then report: distance of the link (based on time calculations) error rate going from AP to CPE (%) erro

Re: [WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems

2008-02-13 Thread Brian Webster
This does not surprise me that they ran in to this. The 802.11b/g spec is designed as a carrier sense collision avoidance network where all users are within range of each other so they can be polite and not transmit over top of another. When you have all sorts of users and multiple access points th

[WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems

2008-02-13 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems The tests confirm two troubling issues for high-density nets Everyone on this list probably already knows this, especially if you have read Jack's book, but John Cox from Network World did a good job explaining it. Usage vs. self interference

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Gather these stats with SNMP or a screen scrape. MRTG/Cacti/InsertNameHere already does this. 1. gather datapoint1 2. Wait X time. 3. gather datapoint2 4. perform basic math (datapoint1-datapoint2)/time. I use the graphs I produce to show me when a change I made screwed something up. It might t

Re: [WISPA] Note about the Noon Webinar....

2008-02-13 Thread Steve Stroh
I posted my initial impressions - http://www.wispnews.net/2008/02/alvarion-webina.html Thanks, Steve On Feb 13, 2008 10:21 AM, Patrick Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For those joining it (at noon Pacific Time), please log in 10 minutes > early to make sure your system can view the presentat

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
There are a number of things to do to gauge the quality of a link with MT. CCQ is one. Signal levels, as well as Ping tests will give you most of what you wish. All three put together will tell you. Also, a ping test over a period of time is helpful as well. Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certi

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
The problem with stats is they often are displayed as total loss from the beginning of time. Not specific to an exact period, of controled usage. What difference does a particular setting on a radio have, and the ability to measure it after the change nad before the next one. This is why ON-Dem

[WISPA] Can anyone service this location...

2008-02-13 Thread Brad Belton
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[WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Brian Webster Consulting

2008-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Many of you already know Brian Webster. He has been with us when we were helping Mac Dearman and many others post-Katrina, he was at the first WiNOG with us, he was the member representative to WISPA while he worked for Earthlink in Philly. Brian has seen much and has been part of our efforts throu

[WISPA] MUM & ISPCON

2008-02-13 Thread Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
Just wanted to make sure everyone know that I will be at both the ISPCON and the MUM in Chicago between May 12th though the 17th. We will have space at both events. We will have PoweRouter Products on-display at both. For more information: www.ispcon.com & www.mikrotik.com Dennis M.

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread Victoria Proffer
Since Trango offers SNMP, could it be programmed to work with the MT? We are using the Dude with our Trangos and that works very well. Victoria On 2/13/08, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > > >With a product like Trango, they have a utility ca

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread George Rogato
If you want to do that with star and I'm sure mt and others have this as well. You just simply open up the ping utility on the ap and ping the client. You can select your packet sizes as well. And another thing we do, is to test throughput from the su to the ap or beyond with the built in bandwi

[WISPA] OOPS AGAIN STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI

2008-02-13 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Sorry bout that, don't know where that last link came THIS SHOULD WORK http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2008/02/11/daily11.html IT seems the "tiny url" dropped the ending letters rq. http://tinyurl.com/yr28rq Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing Hi

[WISPA] Note about the Noon Webinar....

2008-02-13 Thread Patrick Leary
For those joining it (at noon Pacific Time), please log in 10 minutes early to make sure your system can view the presentation. The Webinar service we are using requires viewers to have Java running, so if you do not have Java, then it will prompt you to click to install it. I am looking forward t

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" >that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and >measuring on both sides the loss: With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You can double-click

Re: [WISPA] MT tools

2008-02-13 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and measuring on both sides the loss: [suid] 2 [pkt len] 1600 bytes [# of pkts per cycle] 100 [cycle] 10 0  [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 96 [AP RxErr] 0  [SU Tx] 100 [SU

Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI

2008-02-13 Thread George Rogato
It was a mistake. Never have I seen Chuck do religious or political postings on any list. Anyways, this is probably a reaction to Starbucks loosing market share and probably some long term negotiations on ATT's part. Lots of local independent coffee houses have been giving away free wifi while

Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI

2008-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Not weird really...just a discussion of a particular Christian doctrine. Not sure how that applies to Starbucks though... :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject:

Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI

2008-02-13 Thread Alex
Looked pretty weird to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI What the hell is this? I got som

Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI

2008-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
What the hell is this? I got some kind of religious website... Was this a joke, accident or mistake? - Original Message - From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T

[WISPA] Butch Evans vs. Mikrotik training

2008-02-13 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm looking to expand my training on Mikrotik. As far as I know the two front runners are Butch Evans and Mikrotik themselves. Mikrotik is cheaper than Butch, but Butch seems to cover things more. Butch also has available an advanced course. Comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Co

Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI

2008-02-13 Thread Jason Hensley
Here is a link that talks about it. Not sure if this is what you were trying to post or not. http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/11/starbucks-ditching-t-mobile-adopting-at t-for-hotspots/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sen