Again, I want to apologize for the pissing contest I created here.
While I do appreciate the input I highly disagree with some of the language
and attitude here. Can we please stop this thread?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
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Those
Just think about it. What will people do that can not afford the movies, cool
electronics and gadgets or go out eat nice dinners etc do at night or during
the day (assuming unemployed).
Sit home watch TV and surf internet. They COULD cancel their cabel/sat
connection if they have a good high sp
That's pretty much where I am too.
I'm working on making sure I can survive even if I have to cut my rates by
up to 65%.
Part of that is now about changing providers, adding a 2nd, so if one goes
away I'm not sunk, and a small price increase, and changing my billing and
credit process. I now
Travis... I don't "bet" money on non-productive things. IE, I don't
gamble. It's a moral thing.
But, here's why I am saying you're not going to be able to...
1. Over the last 2 decades, industrial finance has been mostly done by
direct sales of bonds on the open market.This has fallen
If I was in the business of selling something frivilous, I would be
worried.
This is internet access. People need Internet Access just like they need
electricity. You could live with out it but who would want to.
Unless you have hit the top of your saturation, then it's doubtful
you'll be los
We have been charging the same for internet service for almost 5
years and just two days ago, we got double the new sign-ups on a
single day of what we can do for installs. Business is booming in our
area and our industry. Just looking at our 2008 financials, our gross
revenues are up 15.2%
- Original Message -
From: "Travis Johnson"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
> You can not grow in large scales without financing... and I don't
> understand w
As I mentioned in my last post, I am now not willing to finance anything
substantial for any period of time beyond a few months.
While I'm no economics professor, nor claim any great knowledge, it appears
that the people who do make those claims are as befuddled as things can get.
Each has scen
I was going to say that but I don't know how the CPU compares, not that it
is a major difference.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Thu, Jan 1,
Might be simpler to say, a Routerboard 411, with an integrated radio
card that does 2.4 only. Fully FCC certified.
--
* Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
314-735-0270
http://www.linktechs.
I can get to downtown Chicago in one wireless hop and receive TV signals
from additional markets, yet I have at least 14 completely clear channels
and an additional 4 that can be used in significant parts of my coverage
area. That's 108 MHz of space, or over 2 GB/s of throughput without any
fr
First table here gives you a bit more information:
http://routerboard.com/comparison.html
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 a
http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/crossroads_brochure.pdf
John Scrivner wrote:
What is the "crossroads" radio platform? I have never heard of it. Any link
to information about it is appreciated.
Thank you,
John Scrivner
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
Dennis -
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=RBCRD&eq=&Tp=
MikroTik's "LiteStation" model.
/ Eje
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re
What is the "crossroads" radio platform? I have never heard of it. Any link
to information about it is appreciated.
Thank you,
John Scrivner
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Dennis - I already beat you to the punch. Don't steal my glory :)
>
> The crossroads is FCC certifi
You can not grow in large scales without financing... and I don't
understand why people are against it. Our last equipment lease was
under 10% interest, no personal guarantees, no money up front. We were
able to purchase a large quantity of CPE units (thus saving us about
20% off the single uni
In the last three months the price of copper and steel materials
dropped like a stone...
On 1/1/09, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Copper is worth something. Last year, here in MD, ther ewas a racket where
> theives would steal copper wire from live deployment, and sell it to the
> recyclers, at a clear pr
- Original Message -
From: "Tom DeReggi"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
>
> Every WISP needs to ask themselves... Why are they not deploying more
> broadband
LOL!
That's really a pretty good description of any really large and beaurocratic
organization
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown - 3"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may he
And provided you live somewhere like Nevada that would have 8 channels
available.
Remember Whitespace, isn't realisitic for tight beam PTP.
The last thing we want is vendors making gear that bonds 8 channels.
All it takes is one of those APs every 30 miles, to KILL ALL competition in
that area.
Copper is worth something. Last year, here in MD, ther ewas a racket where
theives would steal copper wire from live deployment, and sell it to the
recyclers, at a clear profit. It was valuable enough some people were
willing to go risk getting caught and going to jail, to recycle it.
A cabler
ARGG! "Accepting money" or "Accepting Help" are NOT bad words.
The problem is the FREE money goes to the wrong people, or does not get fairly
spread around.
The government often forgets to reward the small guy proportionaly, who put his
neck out there in many of the early needy years.
The proble
Whitespaces sure will allow that, given the vendors produce gear that bonds
multiple channels. Bond 4 channels together and you've got 80 megs of
throughput.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "To
Yeah, but the secret to getting more spectrum is not asking for it, nor
proving need. The secret is identifying spectrum that could be available,
that someone else doesn't already have claim to.
Whitespace is going to be awesome for you west-coast/central folk, but that
still isn't going to yie
Actually, Not sure the Government has the right to define "broadband".
Anyone check if anyone had a copyright, trademark, or Patent, on the term
"broadband"?
Is Webster required to accept/print the definition sent to them from the
Gov?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wirele
Josh Luthman wrote:
> If all else fails you can use a pair of BelAir links and use
> RouterOS/OSPF to concatinate them :)
For long links, someone people I know claim to do something similar with
RSTP: put two panels up (one on each polarization) and then plug both
radios on each side into a laye
If all else fails you can use a pair of BelAir links and use
RouterOS/OSPF to concatinate them :)
On 1/1/09, Rogelio wrote:
> I'm not sure he knows what he wants, at this point.
>
> He knows that I do stuff with wifi mesh using BelAir products and wanted
> to know what that would cost. I told hi
I generally characterize our "government", (to folks from other places where
there is not so much freedom) as an insane giant robot that was originally
created to work for us and is collectively owned by all of us.
We have hired hundreds of thousands of programmers and mechanics to fix it
and e
Unfortunately, copper has dropped to about a third of what it sold for
last Spring:
http://www.lme.co.uk/copper_graphs.asp
. . . J o n a t h a n
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 20
Thinking about it more though, the cost of the cable fluctuates a lot with the
price of the commodity. Purchasing becomes a big pain sometimes so I think
there may be some cash in it. I think a lot of us would like to know what you
get for it.
-Jeff
Fr
I'm not sure he knows what he wants, at this point.
He knows that I do stuff with wifi mesh using BelAir products and wanted
to know what that would cost. I told him BelAir might be good up to
only a certain Mbps (fairly steady ~30Mbps on 802.11a radios, which I've
tested many times), and afte
That is a great idea. Never thought about it before. With Chuck's comment, I
am curious to see how much usable copper is in the cable though.
-Jeff
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of
Martha Huizenga [mar...@dcacce
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> If you port your number over, and that company goes out of business,
> you have a mess. :(
>
That is not true. All regulated telecommunication companies are
required to let your number port out except for a few specific
reasons. What is mo
"Government" is not a monolith, and to condemn it out of hand is
unreasonable. You can certainly go to local, even state government
meetings, and express your opinion, and have an impact. I've done so many
times (and I also sit on the other side of the table on my local township
board). My issue
And does he want 100Mb full duplex or aggregate? Motorola Orthogon radios
(specifically the PtP 500 Full) hits 105Mbps aggregate... that could be a
real winner.
100Mb full duplex would be Dragonwave... 24Ghz could be a nice solution so
they don't have to worry about the license.
If he wants 1Gbp
Dragonwave would be my first suggestion. You can look at the Redline
an80s too - they're cheap but won't provide 100 megs.
On 1/1/09, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> What do you consider reasonable.
> Dragonwave 24 G would be good. Orthogon, Trango Giga, Ligowave.
> If money is not an issue, I would
What do you consider reasonable.
Dragonwave 24 G would be good. Orthogon, Trango Giga, Ligowave.
If money is not an issue, I would go Dragonwave. Licensed or unlicensed.
- Original Message -
From: "Rogelio"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:16 PM
Subject: [WIS
A friend in my Linux user group is in charge of setting up the IT in a
building that's about about a mile or so away, and he wants to bridge
them via wireless rather than pay a monthly dedicated circuit between
them. The number of end users there will be about 50 or so.
He asked me what I would
Maybe that's just how Qwest is. I've done so before with other companies.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OneConnectIP down
Actually there is
Actually there is more to it... the last time a local VoIP provider
went out of business, people could NOT get their numbers back. The
issue was everyone had transferred their number to this company, and
then they went out of business. So, per Qwest's regulations, the
numbers automatically went
Just because Qwest has cut them off doesn't mean you can't LNP your number
elsewhere.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Travis Johnson"
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:14 PM
To: ; "Motorola
But not at 5 GHz.
I wouldn't use MT in 5.2 - 5.7 because there is no DFS2 availability for it.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Josh Luthman"
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:32 PM
To: "WISP
I doubt we're getting any more spectrum for a while. We've been given quite
a bit recently.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Josh Luthman"
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:59 PM
To: ; "WIS
My sister in law works with a company whose main clients are copper mines...
she has been telling me many are shutting down because the prices are so
low.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of
Guy I know runs cable for a living...for a while there he had a nice scrap
business for the stuff they had to take out. Copper price is way down now
though.
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursd
These are not isolated incidents and affect many other companies even
if it doesn't force them to shut down. Nevertheless, I predict we are
going to see a number of companies with VoIP/LD exposure to go out of
business this year. Both Qwest and Global Crossing have raised rates
~30% yet man
These are not isolated incidents and affect many other companies even
if it doesn't force them to shut down. Nevertheless, I predict we are
going to see a number of companies with VoIP/LD exposure to go out of
business this year. Both Qwest and Global Crossing have raised rates
~30% yet man
I would have thought the copper would be worth a bit...don't know
anymore though.
On 1/1/09, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> Not worth shipping unless you have a whole bunch.
> Look up in your local yellow pages "metal recyclers" or scrap metal dealers.
> They might take it off your hands, perhaps givi
Not worth shipping unless you have a whole bunch.
Look up in your local yellow pages "metal recyclers" or scrap metal dealers.
They might take it off your hands, perhaps giving you a few dollars. The
problem is the ratio of insulation to copper.
Too much plastic, not enough copper. If you were t
Checked you local recycling places? One local to me will take it for free. The
other a bit further away I think gave us like 15c or something per pound
(plastic and all) when we had some incorrectly built cat5 cabling (almost 40k
feet on spools). Not sure about the exact price since its now well
We've been keeping our used ethernet cable for recycling. I found a
couple of companies on the Internet, but no response. Does anyone have a
place to recycle this?
Thanks
Martha
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DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
*/Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
Connecting the Capitol
Global domination?
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yikes, No Happy New years for SkyWi
First Oneconnectip and now SkyWi i
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