Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Charles Wu
I have a dissenting opinion... It all comes down to a simple economics in the end. Who can most cost effectively provide broadband. A cellular network is built for coverage Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, will tend to put the same equipment

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
By the same token I doubt they are going to have separate plans for rural and urban sites so what they do in the hinterlands they will have to support in the population centers. An interesting question will be can I pick up my 'fixed' equipment and haul somewhere else and use it, which would

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Daniel White
Charles, I think you should rephrase your statement - Cellular networks (especially in metropolitan areas) WERE built for coverage. With 4G services, they are built for capacity. I doubt the coverage metric will change in rural areas though. There is also a major question on backhaul.

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Blake Bowers
Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity. Thats why you have so many low level sites, frequency reuse. Capacity rules king. In rural areas, coverage rules. That is why they use a lot of intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with very minimal

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Sam Tetherow
Didn't Verizon announce FIOS is pretty much dead at this point. I thought I read they are fulfilling their current obligations, but planned no new rollouts in the forseeable future. On 10/27/11 11:20 AM, Daniel White wrote: Charles, I think you should rephrase your statement - Cellular

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe FiOS already covers a good portion of their existing (urban) coverage area. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/27/2011 11:44 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Didn't Verizon announce FIOS is pretty much dead at this point. I thought I read they

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Steve Barnes
In Indiana they have been selling everything they can unload. Most of the East Side of Indiana was Verizon now Frontier. In Fort Wayne 2 year ago the dumbed a bunch in FIOS and sold it less than a year later. I believe that with the FCC decision today Verizon sees its future as 100%

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Wilson Hernandez
Hello. I'm experiencing a big problem in my part of the world. I'm loosing customers every week because of the big guys are getting stronger and stronger every day. I have a different problem than you guys in that the big company has brought fiber to the entire town where I have my small

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Mike Hammett
It makes it easier to increase your penetration percentage when you sell off what you don't intend on putting fiber in. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/27/2011 1:09 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: In Indiana they have been selling everything they can

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/27/2011 03:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It makes it easier to increase your penetration percentage when you sell off what you don't intend on putting fiber in. Worse. They sold off what they could of that plant where they didn't intend to put in fiber. But they couldn't sell it all. So

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Blair Davis
I just wounder... if they start selling fixed wireless on their mobile network, will they be able to weasel out of the Network Neutrality rules for fixed wireless? On 10/27/2011 4:26 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 10/27/2011 03:10 PM, Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Brian Webster
One major factor you have to consider for Verizon and FIOs is the union problem. Verizon had established specialized teams to deploy fiber and were moving along at or ahead of schedule and budgets. The teams would go to the new areas and stay to get the work done. Then the union stepped up and

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Cameron Crum
That's right Blake, and it was way before 4G that designing for capacity came into play. Before I became a wisp in '03, I had designed and had a part in building over 1000 cell sites for 4 different carriers in 3 different countries. In the mid-90s companies were going for coverage only. They

[WISPA] Metro wifi for free in USA

2011-10-27 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Dear All I am not from USA and I am very curious about free wifi access in the metro area in USA. I was wondering: 1) is there any metro free wifi access (NY, LA, etc) 2) I know some time ago some private effort has been done (I guess by google) but I also remember that those networks

Re: [WISPA] Metro wifi for free in USA

2011-10-27 Thread Josh Luthman
1) Typically cities try, get bids and the company drops the idea. It doesn't offer a good return on investment. 2) Yep, many many times 3) I would. I'd lose customers and I'm paying for it to happen! 4) There are several success stories involving this, I don't have one myself Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-27 Thread Brian Webster
But what did you know right Cameron? The arrogance and ignorance of carriers still never ceases to amaze me. Most times it is due to the fact that the person in that position of network design authority, who should already know those answers, simply does not and feel like they need to draw the

Re: [WISPA] Metro wifi for free in USA

2011-10-27 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Hi Josh thank you for your nice reply. :) I hope that also other WISPs will express an opinion about this topic. Regards, Paolo 1) Typically cities try, get bids and the company drops the idea. It doesn't offer a good return on investment. 2) Yep, many many times 3) I would. I'd lose