Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring you
cheap bandwidth...g
Between towers we have AN50s. They were at least $6,000 when they were put
up - I'm sure it took months for that ROI but the worst part is the upkeep.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to r
grade to better faster
backhauls on all of the towers between the two networks).
We'll get there eventually.
marlon
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From: "Harold Bledsoe"
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Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
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ay, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
> Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
> building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
> etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a maj
Have to pay for tower space and colo charges and possibly cross
connect fees and after that your router and bandwidth come from
another city
That coupled with the most important ingredient of your business now
with less reliability than local fiber and more jitter and latency
Scott Carullo
e another $5k in revenue) with the 2-3 months worth of time,
research, negotiations, etc it took to get this project done
-Charles
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Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM
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From: "Harold Bledsoe"
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Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
> Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
> building
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Harold Bledsoe"
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&g
Charles,
I would love to live in the world you describe here. :)
Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live. It also
seems very optimistic to put 1000 customers on a 20mb link. At best, I
would think that if they are consuming ~20mbps, that you should have at
least twice
Agreed we have a tad more than a 1000 wireless subs and we hit our cap
nightly @ 30megs. And I try like hell to avoid the power users.
J. Vogel wrote:
> Charles,
>
> I would love to live in the world you describe here. :)
>
> Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live
Co$t! 35 miles as a crow flys to the nearest fiber facility. Worse yet, only
one major provider there and they are expensive. -RickG
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
> Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
> building your own backhaul to cheaper ba
In my neck of the woods there is no dark fiber for rent, and I'm 185 miles
from the nearest fiber facility.
We have to backhaul a DS3 nearly 50 miles, then cross connect it into Qwest
land from CenturyTel land into the qwest ATM cloud.
THEN I have a fat UBR pipe to a Tier 2. I have no other way
What you need Rick, is one of these bad boys:
http://www.directionaldrills.com/imageview.php?product=251
Then all you have to do is drill your way past the incumbant.
(this is supposed to be humorous)
RickG wrote:
> Co$t! 35 miles as a crow flys to the nearest fiber facility. Worse yet, only
>
m:
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:47 AM
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>
>
> In my neck of the woods there is no dark fiber for rent, and I'm 185 miles
>> from the nearest fiber facility.
>> We have to
Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at
least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so
that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have
maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about
$1,000 per month.
Travis
Mic
LOL! I'd like to use it on their CO :)
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:04 PM, George Rogato wrote:
> What you need Rick, is one of these bad boys:
>
> http://www.directionaldrills.com/imageview.php?product=251
>
> Then all you have to do is drill your way past the incumbant.
>
> (this is supposed to b
Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who
would buy an "exit ramp on your information super-highway" if you
build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so
you should be able to stret
st savings
of $50 / Mb
-Charles
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Of J. Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:57 AM
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Charles,
I would love to live in the
I guess I still forget that not everyone is on 95th percentile billing
-Charles
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Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:26 AM
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ginal Message
> From: "John Scrivner"
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:16 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
>
> Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
> fiber transport is that
suffice it to say we all should and probably already do our homework before
> making any kind of large commitment or investment - bandwidth included.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
> Original Message
>> From: "John
.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:21 AM
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, March 22, 2009 7:16 AM
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Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who
would buy an "exit ramp on your information super-hi
e who own the poles.
>
>Just some thoughts, probably not worth what you are paying for them.
>
>
>Don't take your organs to heaven,
>heaven knows we need them down here!
>Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
>- Original Message -----
>From: &qu
I was just quoted .23 per foot for 64 strands. Figure 8 type construction.
Dry, loose tube.
ryan
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From: Scottie Arnett
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:20 PM
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What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I
PM
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>
> What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number of
> strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small city,
> what type would you want to use? Around here, the
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From: "Scott Carullo"
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:56 AM
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>
> Again -- it depends where you are and who you have to deal with. within
> the first 20 miles or so of our city you h
tt"
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> What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number
> of strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small
> city, what type
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That comes to $24,288 for 20 miles aerial fiber with 64 strands.
Obviously this does not include easements, make ready, labor, etc. but
obviously the costs to put in fiber have dropped considerably over the
last few years. What brand fiber /
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From: "Scott Carullo"
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:56 AM
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>
> Again -- it depends where you are and who you have to deal with. within
> the first 20 miles or so of our city
the broken market, so the market can once again be
relied on to drive affordable bandwdith.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Mike Hammett"
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Sent: Saturday, March 21, 200
From: "Travis Johnson"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:20 PM
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> Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at
> least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so
>
implement deployment and own their fiber? At minimum at least requries CLEC
status.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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That comes to $24,288 for 20 miles aerial fiber with 64 strands.
Obviously this does not include easements, make ready, labor, etc. but
ob
mp;T,
Verizon, etc.
I agree with a lot of what you said.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:26 PM
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to better faster
> backhauls on all of the towers between the two networks).
>
> We'll get there eventually.
> marlon
>
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Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who
would buy an "exit ramp
hn Scrivner"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:15:24 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
>
> Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
> fiber transport is that scarce then you could ce
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> With this in mind what is the best financing option for fiber deployments?
> Our current leasing providers are not interested because of it being
> fiber? So what is a viable finance option for your own fiber deployments?
>
> John
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