I've had time to think on this as we spent the entire day working a
lightening strike. Spent some time talking with Graylend and got some
good advice from him.
Rick, I will be unsubscribing from this list, not because of your
selfless work and sincere attempts at fairness but because I can see
that my presence makes your job harder due the those few who will
whine and knit pick at every post of mine. It is unfortunate that those
few don't have the courage to come out into the open or contact me
off list, but they have the audacity to whine and complain to you to
the point that they can harry you into a mistake.
I will not file a complaint about Peter posting my off list comments
on list... as I have just taken the same liberty of violating that
"unwritten rule of list etiquette". No doubt you will have no more
problem with that action than you did with Peter's posting of off
line content.
Again, I am unsubscribing from this list to make your job easier by
silencing those children who can not find the courage to bring their
complaints to the person they wish to complain about. Sadly,
Rick, there will alway be those who hide in the shadows and whine
for someone else to fight their battles but maybe this will get two
of them off your back.
Lastly, I have redacted your comments to remove certain information
which might cause even more problems.
Good day...
-m-
Rick Harnish wrote:
Response inline
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Erskine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 7:39 PM
To: Rick Harnish
Subject: My Response ...
Rick;
Forward this to whomever you wish. You do need to make
it more obvious when you are posting on and off the list, Rick.
I was going to post this to the public list since I was publicly
dragged thru the muck by RICK. Literally three minutes ago
I noticed that you folks had had your vote and decided to
drop it on the board list.
The board decided to drop it based on my recommendation, thank you very
much.
What follows was my response:
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If I am to be charged in public, I think I should reply in public.
1) My post, to Peter R. was off list until Peter R. posted it to the list.
My apologies, we did not catch that part. personally feel that there
are some
people you should not respond to privately even. (personal reference
redacted MJE).
2) There was nothing discourteous about my post. There was no
swearing. No insults and no name calling.
Hence the reason we did not take any action!
3) The gentleman claimed my original post was off topic. I explained
how it was not off topic and in the first paragraph explained why the
FBI would never come forward to explain how they collect
their information. The gentleman claimed I had made an
anti-government tirade. The gentleman apparently can not read
for content. I spoke an opinion. I will be the first person to
support my government and the LEA's in general. Why would I
join the CALEA committie if I did not want to support the FBI.
Never-the-less, I am allowed an opinion and the expression of that
opinion.
Very true, but you might consider that other people may have a different
opinion to what is relevant on-list topics and what is not.
4) Either the gentleman is playing the board or someone is playing
the gentleman's comments for his own personal agenda, I know
not which. If everyone left every time that someone upset them
a bit, there would be maybe a tenth as many members today as
there currently are.
It's a shame some people can't just let things go isn't it.
5) The gentleman posted off line content in an effort to support his
feigned desire to leave WISPA. If the board accepts that kind
of blackmail, so be it. Did the gentleman also suggest to the board
that I be removed from the
Yes he did, but we did not accept the attempt of "blackmail" as you call it.
7) How exactly this came up is beyond me. Did the gentleman
come to you to have me kicked off "or else", or did Rick just
take it upon himself to bring the charges.
I did not take it upon myself, in fact I forwarded everything to the
board and tabled it until we discussed it. I feel I acted appropriately
although I probably should not have used your name in the subject line. My
apologies for that.
8) Why was this charge not brought privately, in the first place?
Probably because I was upset that this was being thrust on us on a
Friday afternoon after a very long week.
Is it because my off line post to the gentleman was dropped on
list?
Most likely
Isn't there a rule about that kind of violation of privacy?
I would think there is an unwritten rule of list etiquette.
Aw, well.
Gentlem, decide what you decide and let me know. You might as
well do it publicly since Rick has dragged it out onto the list in
the first place.
Thank you again for your vote of confidence!
-m-
Michael Erskine
Kaballero.Com
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I would like to add to that this:
Rick, Your job is hard and it is not easy to be both judge and prosecutor.
Peter posted my OFF-LINE comment to support his case for leaving. It
was a PLOY and it violated your rules.
Yes it is and I am considering resignation of my moderation position
after this event. I really don't have the time or the desire to be
criticized by any decision I make as moderator. It seems as someone is
obviously always upset by my decisions. I learned a long time ago that you
can't please everyone. I have taken this as part of the job (volunteer job
I might say) After almost 4 years in this capacity, my patience for this
type of criticism is getting very low.
What would you have done if I had posted his off-line comments?
Maybe you should post his comments to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list so we can
fully understand your side of the story.
Off-Line is off line. WISPA is not the police agency for private
conversations between members. The day that WISPA decides that
it has that kind of
authority we might as well move to China.
Nor do we want to be.
Peter needs to understand what may and may not be done with off line
comments, or WISPA needs to drop that rule.
Good day.
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