Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-30 Thread Robert West
sector power? Not only that but the systems tend to work much nicer when they are run within the design specs marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum se

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Not only that but the systems tend to work much nicer when they are run within the design specs marlon - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector p

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-26 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/26/2010 12:55 AM, Jack Unger wrote: >Fred Goldstein wrote: >> >>At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: >>>I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates >>>transmitters. >>> >>In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers >>too. Remember that even

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Jack Unger
Fred Goldstein wrote: At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers too. Remember that even receive-only satellite Earth s

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
agree with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? At 6/24/2010 12:12 AM, Robert West wrote: >St

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? At 6/24/2010 09:32 AM, Bob West wrote: >Man, that's ugly. I've never tested the spread of the older nanos, the >new M series look as if they stay where you put them though. But >that's a mess... Sure is. I smell hardware.

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? At 6/24/2010 12:12 AM, Robert West wrote: >Stick wit

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Stuart Pierce
ge - > From: Blair Davis > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:31 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? > > > I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates > transmitters. > > CPE to AP is PtP. AP to

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
e: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. CPE to AP is PtP. AP to CPE is PtMP. This was prior to "smart AP's" and the AP 120 deg or less beamwidth rule. RickG wrote: Does the FCC take its cues

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: >I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates >transmitters. In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers too. Remember that even receive-only satellite Earth stations required licenses in the days before DBS

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Blair Davis
I thought this one was settled a long time ago...  The FCC regulates transmitters.  CPE to AP is PtP.  AP to CPE is PtMP. This was prior to "smart AP's" and the AP 120 deg or less beamwidth rule. RickG wrote: Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :) On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM,

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Justin Wilson
Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:53:34 -0400 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? Not to argue your point as I agree with you but how do you know your running it at 100%? Just cause it says so doesnt mean it is. ("It" being the radio). -Ric

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread RickG
on > http://www.mtin.net/blog > Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support > > > > From: Ryan Ghering > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:53:23 -0600 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? > > We

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread RickG
Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :) On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: >> >> The PtP/PtMP distinction does create interesting ambiguity.  But then > > My favorite ambiguity is whether the PtP/PtMP distinction applies to > the full-duplex system or per traffic direction..

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Greg Ihnen
eply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:53:23 -0600 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? > > We are running RocketM2's and RocketM5's and we have set policy's on the 120 > sectors > to limit the power on the r

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Jeromie Reeves
23 Jun 2010 22:53:23 -0600 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? > > We are running RocketM2's and RocketM5's and we have set policy's on the 120 > sectors > to limit the power on the radios to 17db they seem to act better then > setti

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Justin Wilson
. Justin -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Ryan Ghering Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:53:23 -0600 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? We are running RocketM2'

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Fred Goldstein
eless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves >Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:56 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? > >Do not forget OOB and the likes. I have been using AirView for a while >to ch

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Robert West
] Maximum sector power? Or you can be legit in Canada, and go for 3.65 GHz and get up to 57 dBM legally in rural areas ;) Courtesy of the guy that changed the rules for 3.65 in Canada and is looking for the US to do the same... F. On 2010-06-23, at 5:41 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: > I'm just

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Robert West
Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? Do not forget OOB and the likes. I have been using AirView for a while to check on my sites and some were unacceptable to me (5mhz but still hitting 10 or 20mhz at -85) so I rep

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Jeremie Chism
We had a discussion about this on the ubnt board. I have a pair of nanobridge M units. No difference was shown with an increase or decrease in power. I did notice at a certain point that after a day the units would completely stop transmitting. A reboot would fix it. Sent from my iPhone On Ju

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
FYI. Please make sure that you are running the most recent version 5.2 on the M series... Older firmware had known issues in setting up the output power. Faisal On Jun 24, 2010, at 10:06 AM, "Stuart Pierce" wrote: > I see negligible difference in signal strength anyway between 20 and 27. >

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Dennis Burgess
ent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? I'm just a little confused about some of these nice-looking access points. The UBNT Rocket M5, for instance, can put out +27 dBm. It plugs *right into* a nice 19dB sector antenna. Okay,

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Stuart Pierce
I see negligible difference in signal strength anyway between 20 and 27. -- Original Message -- From: Francois Menard Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:03:59 -0400 >Or you can be legit in Canada, and go for 3.65 GHz and get up to 57

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Francois Menard
Or you can be legit in Canada, and go for 3.65 GHz and get up to 57 dBM legally in rural areas ;) Courtesy of the guy that changed the rules for 3.65 in Canada and is looking for the US to do the same... F. On 2010-06-23, at 5:41 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: > I'm just a little confused about

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-24 Thread Stuart Pierce
How about the age old, if your AP talks to one client at a time, then it is a ptp system. Much more so now with scheduling and UBNT's AirMax. I'm still on the talk about a 120* or less allows you to increase beyond 36 on each end. The talk was coming from the FCC a few years back from people li

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
..@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:41 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? > > I'm just a little confused about some of these nice-looking access points. > The UBNT Rocket M5, for instance, can p

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Ryan Ghering
We are running RocketM2's and RocketM5's and we have set policy's on the 120 sectors to limit the power on the radios to 17db they seem to act better then setting them to 20. Oddly enough much stronger signal's at 17 than at 20.. We have one site where we have the radios set to 13 and they work be

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Rubens Kuhl
> > The PtP/PtMP distinction does create interesting ambiguity.  But then My favorite ambiguity is whether the PtP/PtMP distinction applies to the full-duplex system or per traffic direction... one reading would say that an uplink(Customer - > WISP) that is made using directive antennas can follow

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Fred Goldstein
ireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein >Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:41 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? > >I'm just a little confused about some of these nice-looking access points.

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Robert West
10 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? I'm just a little confused about some of these nice-looking access points. The UBNT Rocket M5, for instance, can put out +27 dBm. It plugs *right into* a nice 19dB sector antenna. Okay, the smaller, 120 dB sector is o

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Randy Cosby
And when the FCC comes knocking, you can always point to the other guy and say "but he's worse!" Or not... Randy On 6/23/2010 3:59 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > That's a basic question. > > From one consultant to another... the maximum legal access point EIRP > on 5.8 GHz is +36 dBm. > > What ind

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Jack Unger
That's a basic question. From one consultant to another... the maximum legal access point EIRP on 5.8 GHz is +36 dBm. What individual WISP operators actually do in practice is anybody's guess. The majority of WISP operators are mature, responsible people. They strive to do the right thing and

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Jack Unger
That's a basic question. From one consultant to another... the maximum legal access point EIRP on 5.8 GHz is +36 dBm. What individual WISP operators actually do in practice is anybody's guess. The majority of WISP operators are mature, responsible people. They strive to do the right thing and

[WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-23 Thread Fred R. Goldstein
I'm just a little confused about some of these nice-looking access points. The UBNT Rocket M5, for instance, can put out +27 dBm. It plugs *right into* a nice 19dB sector antenna. Okay, the smaller, 120 dB sector is only 16 dB. Now math is not really my thing but I get a total ERP there of