Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 11/18/2010 02:07 AM, Tom Reggi wrote: OOps. looks like the HTML tables were lost in transmission. To translate no channels were available. except for 4 of if at 40mw.. Would channels have been available if you were below the 75 meter limit? I'm seriously thinking of writing a Petition f

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes WOW you are lucky Checkout my availabilty, in the one area I was hoping to have atleast one channel, which is an agricultural reserve full of tall trees Available Channels Fixed

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
per band channels be any better than 4watt 900mhz? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespac

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-11-17 Thread Mike Hammett
According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > 8 Channels around here for me... > > http

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Unger
;> issue. We need to discuss it more and help it mature, it is definitely >> worthwhile to pursue. >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of John Sc

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Jeromie Reeves
> worthwhile to pursue. > > Thanks, > Rick > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of John Scrivner >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM >> To: WISPA General List >>

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Rick Harnish
spa.org] On > Behalf Of John Scrivner > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step > > There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a > spectrum homesteading initiative

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/27/2010 08:40 AM, John Scrivner wrote: > There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a > spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly. Well isn't this what whitespaces is supposed to prevent? Large amounts of exclusive spectrum already exists an

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread John Scrivner
There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly. We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building broadband service should

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/27/2010 10:54 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28 >available. I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I >stake the claim and start working toward deployment? I know it's >oversimplified but that's where I have to star

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

2010-09-27 Thread Forbes Mercy
OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28 available. I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I stake the claim and start working toward deployment? I know it's oversimplified but that's where I have to start. Forbes On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammet

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Philip Dorr
According to that website channels 5-13 and a couple others, that are only 2 channels wide, are available here, but unless the local TV channels completely changed on the DTV switch 5 and 9 are in use. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >  According to that page, only 2, 5, and

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time. 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wr

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me. Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time. 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wr

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
8 Channels around here for me... http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: > Th

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate. Most of the area I am interested i

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Charles N Wyble
You have to hit show incumbents. If you just hit enter after putting in an address it doesn't show anything. The submit action appears to be the find address button which just finds you on the map. On 9/25/2010 1:52 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I go to it and it seems there are no available cha

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
-Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes > > Ah much better. Now, if

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
That's another thing to remember... to have any usable throughput you're going to have to find several channels together. With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits. MT's N might double that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM,

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Brian Webster
ginal Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) l

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels? or will you need to pick 3 or 4? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis wrote: > It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead. > > > > Josh

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Blair Davis
It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead. Josh Luthman wrote: I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I search. Maybe they're working on it? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Sui

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I search. Maybe they're working on it? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: > Am

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped). Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels jumps it to the default v

Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-24 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
looks awfully similar to what is on Spectrum Bridge's web site... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/24/2010 6:48 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >http://whitespaces

[WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

2010-09-24 Thread Charles N Wyble
http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/ Kind of cool I think... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless Lis

[WISPA] TV Whitespaces 802.19.1 coexistance workshop

2010-07-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I'm sitting in this meeting and thought I'd take notes and let you know what's going on. This is NOT an IEEE function, it's done by the committee. I'll add to this note as I can. If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask fire them out and I'll pass them along. marlon --

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
n Behalf >Of Scottie Arnett >Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:36 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > >This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking >for, but: http:/

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-09 Thread RickG
he list shortly. >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Randy Cosby" >>To: "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Monday, April 05,

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-09 Thread Steve Barnes
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Tom DeReggi" Reply

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
--- >From: "Randy Cosby" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > >> Tom, >> >> Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? >> >>

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You might have a lot of pigs

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-07 Thread Mike Hammett
ot; Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:52 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > You might have a lot of pigs, but I am guessing you haven't dealt with > forest. I have areas where it takes a 200ft tower to mostly beat the

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-07 Thread Matt Jenkins
r using legacy bands. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Ryan Spott" > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:26 PM > To: "WISPA Ge

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
eral List" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Tom, > > Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? > > Randy > >> It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel >> a

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-06 Thread MDK
nnels. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Harold Bledsoe" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:32 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whi

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
Be careful when installing those antennae and make sure you read those instructions: < http://consumerist.com/2010/03/these-antenna-installation-instructions-are-surprisingly-specific.html > ryan On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: > Channel 2 (54-60 MHz) 102" 259cm >

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Josh Luthman
5 > >>> www.wavelinc.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of Ryan Spott > >>> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:1

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread RickG
ary? >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:w

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Very cool! I'm glad this meeting went so well. Fingers crossed that we get positive results! marlon - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with t

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
meron Crum" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:54 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Well it will still see the H and V pol but at reduced gain. The main > advantage would be to use as you suggest...opposite pols for greater

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Cameron Crum
t;>> >>> Mike Gilchrist >>> Disruptive Technologist >>> Advanced Wireless Express >>> P.O. Box 255 >>> Toledo, IA 52342 >>> 239.770.6203 >>> m...@aweiowa.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Matt Liotta
t;> Disruptive Technologist >> Advanced Wireless Express >> P.O. Box 255 >> Toledo, IA 52342 >> 239.770.6203 >> m...@aweiowa.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behal

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Cameron Crum
a.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:10 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > While it wouldn't need to cover the entire range, I'd expect at a most > separate UH

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Philip Dorr
gt; From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Ryan Spott >>> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC >>> >>>

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Brian Webster
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC The transmit frequency has nothing to do with how much

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
; www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Ryan Spott >> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whit

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
ailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna >

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
I was sent a private post asking what system, if I was designing it, I would deploy. Respecting that post, I'll just answer here. I think a form of spread spectrum technology, perhaps using coherent radios would be just the thing. Some of the best algorithms give those whose function it is to in

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: "Mike" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 2:15 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > You're not going to need 15 dBi. > > Link budgets are way different at VHF than Microwave.

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC My experience is mostly limited to the WISP market (though I'm not completely ignorant of other markets). Innovation is always welcome, but any sector that delivers approximately 90 degrees and 15 dBi performance is going to be huge. - Mi

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2010 1:26 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Mike, > > I would suggest that you not use this band if it does not meet your needs. > I > tend to not use 5.8 in my area as 5.8 does not meet my needs. > > Your nee

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
gt; or subdivision as there are looking to traverse a sparse forest. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Ryan Spott" > Sent: Monday, A

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
ulated town or subdivision as there are looking to traverse a sparse forest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Ryan Spott" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:02 PM To: "WISPA General Lis

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
omputing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Mike" > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Have you ever taken a really good look at

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the pr

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
ssage- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC While it wouldn't need to cover the entire range, I'd e

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
uot; Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:59 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will > cover > the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF L

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
tions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Steve Barnes" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:55 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Mike, though I agree that circular polar

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
/www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:23 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Awesome report! Thanks. > Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circula

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
avel forever in both intended and unintended areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Depends on the d

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will cover the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF LPDA on the same mast, can cover the entire UHF TV band with similar gain figures. I'd make this challenge: I could TRY to hide a TV band LPDA on my property and beg you

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/5/2010 12:18 PM, Mike wrote: Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to oranges.

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
Channel 2 (54-60 MHz) 102" 259cm Channel 3 (60-66 MHz) 92" 234cm Channel 4 (66-72 MHz) 83" 211cm Channel 6 (82-88 MHz) 72" 183cm A typical antenna for low-band VHF: from < http://www.antennacraft.net/Y

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to oranges. Besides, most TV antennas I have e

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/5/2010 11:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: A Couple questions. First, I would agree, any Whitespace spectrum is good spectrum for us, and better than none. But, why does the FCC keep hypothetically asking us "what about VHF channels 1-x" the lower part of the band? I think when we met wi

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct. Every television channe

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Randy Cosby
eless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Scrivner" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > >

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
In-line ... A Couple questions. 3. Is there something wrong or more encombersome with Bands 1-X (7?), that we dont know about or do know about? We know the size of radiators in the lower portion would be greater. However, lower frequencies propagate better, and a half wave elem

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
(>800 Mhz). > > > > > > Someone enlighten me here. > > > > > > Steve Barnes > > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Harold Bledsoe
.@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > > > Awesome report! Thanks. > > Give m

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
ermine if VHF channels 1-7 are available in their territory or not. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: R

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
g [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Awesome report! Thanks. > Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly pol

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
a.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable s

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread John Scrivner
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Awesome report! Thanks. > Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a > turnstile antenna on the CPE

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system. I mean in the VHF band of 54

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Dylan Bouterse
@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committe

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
ice -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capabl

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This is a great report good job

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
gt; To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the > WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office > of Engineering and Technology (OET)

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread RickG
gt; >> > Kurt Fankhauser >> > WAVELINC >> > P.O. Box 126 >> > Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> > 419-562-6405 >> > www.wavelinc.com >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread John Scrivner
wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Ryan Spott > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > > > This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. >

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread RickG
spa.org] On > Behalf Of Ryan Spott > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. > > We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mo

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Jack Unger
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
g] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM,

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Ryan Spott
t; P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM > To: memb...@wispa.org; W

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Scott Reed
ilto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM > To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Chuck Profito
4:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Jack Unger
he code that says you can use the same "type" > of lower gain. > And no one at the FCC will stick their neck out far enough to say which one > trumps the other. > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Chuck McCown
" Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces >I don't see how what I said was any different than what Blair said, nor how > what Blair said was any indication of using something that wouldn't be > approved. > > If the rules

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Mike Hammett
;Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:09 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces > Sorry Mike. I try to limit my time to responding only to serious, > thoughtful comments. I don't normally respond to smart-a** co

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread John Valenti
see Antenna Requirements on page 101. Fixed device transmit antenna limited to MAX 30 meters high, also the receive antenna must be MIN 10 meter high. On Nov 20, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Jack Unger wrote: > I don't think Fresnel is going to be too much of a problem. Which page > did you pick up that a

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
er 19, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces > I'm still only about half way through, but I thought it was 2 years. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > --

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Unger
Butch, Your analysis looks good. I'm still reading through the rules and I WILL be commenting just as soon as I get through it all. :) I don't think Fresnel is going to be too much of a problem. Which page did you pick up that antenna height requirement from? jack Butch Evans wrote: > On Wed

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jack Unger wrote: >Sorry Mike. I try to limit my time to responding only to serious, >thoughtful comments. I don't normally respond to smart-a** comments >because I just don't have any time to waste on them. Ouch! :-) Has anyone done an RF propagation study in your area f

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Unger
t; - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:12 PM > To: "WISPA General Li

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