Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday,

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

As opposed to pretty rainbow colors? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Yep. I'll take a boring flat black shielded cable over a pretty indoor patch cable anytime for an outdoor install. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

I use black as well. It has worked for me. Belden branded and a spooled. On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yep. I'll take a boring flat black shielded cable over a pretty indoor patch cable anytime for an outdoor install. -Original Message- From:

[WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much.

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

MT - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Depends what you mean by Vendor. Manufacturer or Reseller? As a reseller/distributor we built from the ground up a 7,500 subscriber WISP with over 130 tower sites (Mesa Networks located out of Frederick, CO). We only sell gear we have personally used and deployed, and know how it actually

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Mikrotik, although they did say at MUM their WISP is much less a part of their business than it was. Ralph wrote: Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

We are a distributor/reseller we started out as a ISP turned WISP and still run our networks. We deploy what we sell and our techs have firsthand knowledge with the equipment and work closely with the manufacturers we represent to improve the products to work the best way. / Eje -Original

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

And remember, that ski town has a very low noise floor, so you sometimes get , 'well why doesn't a -88 work? Dah We use Star OS, so I need to duck now! Incoming! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Exactly... I'd argue having a manufacturer that keeps engineers in the field visiting WISP's and helping them solve their problems is more important than having a manufacturer that has a small WISP on the side (heck that could even be considered a distraction). Daniel White 3-dB Networks

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

I don't buy into that model at all! Vendors need to focus on the product they are manufacturing and work with their customers to ensure that they are manufacturing what is needed and works as expected. While at first it seems like a good idea eventually trying to be everything to everyone causes a

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

Certainly, having engineers visit WISPs is important. I have appreciated visits from a couple vendors and I'm sure they have learned a lot too visiting various ISP customers. There is no replacement for this. I have seen some suggestions make it into products from multiple vendors we work

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

I would imagine that's because their hardware and software business has exploded. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:11 AM