Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-06 Thread Robert West
and performs well. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger <mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com> To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Why would customer

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For ex

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-04 Thread Fred Goldstein
Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Comments inline. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack U

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-04 Thread Brian Webster
government needs to stop thinking they are going to be everyone's savior. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be h

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Competition is what keeps your upstream from doing that. Even if you have T-1 service in BFE, you can get a T-1 from any major IXC anywhere T-1s are available. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 11:09 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Comments inline.

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Jack Unger
Comments inline. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >Fred, > >Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the >contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a >WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to >somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions,

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Jack Unger
Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server an

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? You could

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread MDK
nger Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Jack Unger
Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Ha

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced t

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That whole slippery slope thing. Its easy to forget that once they (They are "them." They are "they." That are the Men in Black) it will not be simple or easy. Once telcos really start losing to WISPs you will see them fight all the harder. There are some good telcos out there (IIRC some one on the

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread Mike Hammett
That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 12:34 PM, MDK wrote: On the political side of the issue, the anti-Genakowsk

[WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

2010-08-03 Thread MDK
On the political side of the issue, the anti-Genakowski allies are increasing in number and strength. http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/08/03/another-week-of-growing-opposition-to-fccs-internet-grab/#more-152353 I, for one, think that if Comcast Charter or Qwest, or anyone, started depr