RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Lee Weers
For wireless we currently have an Aruba 2400, and a HP WESM xl module. About a year ago I did a comparison (mostly on paper) of a campus wide deployment of Aruba, Trapeze, Procurve, Xirrus, Cisco, and Siemens. It came down to Procurve for several reasons. 1. It is very simple to setup and

weird DHCP behaviour with wireless

2007-11-13 Thread Jamie Savage
Hi all, We're seeing this behaviour in our wireless network but it really relates more to DHCP than to wireless itself. Is anyone aware of DCHP client issues with any of the 'popular' latop operating systems. What I'm seeing is a wireless client asking for, and receiving, an IP address

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Jorj Bauer
Had they received Wi-Fi certification? I think that could be a differentiating factor. I remeber that there was talk of 802.11g being certified *after* the final release, but not during draft. Some 802.11g draft hardware was specified as compliant after the final spec was approved, though.

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Hizny, Michael
You are correct that Cisco is shipping N now, but the 1250 AP's are modular to accommodate any changes to the 802.11n draft that would require a radio modification. There are 6 external antennas on the box and they weigh about as much as a cinder block. They are not really good for ceiling

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Russ Leathe
Carnegie Mellon just went through an extensive N evalthey chose Aruba. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/071112/0324644.html From: Lee Weers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Peter Morrissey
I'm pretty sure Powerdsine/Microsemi has certified its midspan products to work with a number of vendors' gigabit switches. Pete M. _ From: Frank Bulk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:25 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Kevin Pait
We are currently rolling out Cisco a/b/g wireless and asked the vendor about designing with 802.11n in mind. The overall response was that the technology is too immature and any predictions would be highly speculative. They also said that the consumer base would not be populated with N - capable

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Kevin Miller
It probably is no surprise but we have a 1252-based pilot in operation now, with ongoing conversations about when/how to expand. All of the concerns raised so far are valid, and under discussion. Currently we're using individual power injectors to Gig switches, but we all know how well individual

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Lee Weers
I don't see a finalization of 802.11n anytime soon. If I remember right the original draft was supposed to be finalized by now, but then pushed it back to Spring 08 then Oct 08 and now Mar 09. I wouldn't be suprised to see it pushed back yet again. I was also concerned about not seeing a

RE: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
Good point, though those legacy client devices seem to stick around longer than you think. In any case, shipping chipsets will be predominately 802.11n by 2009 and my guess is that the installed base of clients will reach 50% that year. I think Kevin's 5 to 8 years is much too conservative.

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Philippe Hanset
Lee, It's all about be willing to pay the price of being an early adopter! Is it better to deploy an early 802.11n today and deal with the consequences (two cat5, two 802.3af ports, I wonder if you can etherchannel two 100 Mbps ports for each AP since you bring two cat5 anyway!) or wait for a

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Toby Krohn (tkrohn)
agreed - you will always have those legacy issues, good thing for backwards compatibility. But its not like we are just get accustomed to WLAN now. The expectations are higher. g rolled out much quicker than b and n will roll out much quicker than g.

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Dan McCarriar
Lee, As was noted by others earlier today, we recently announced our new Wireless Andrew 2.0 project, which will bring 802.11n to the campus wireless network using equipment from Aruba and Xirrus. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. -Dan Dan McCarriar Assistant

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiSMs to 4.2

2007-11-13 Thread Tom Magrini
We are considering doing the upgrade over the holidays, but have no pressing need to upgrade. We may just hold off until the summer, although the holiday closure would have the least impact on our users. Tom Magrini Assistant Director, Network Services The University of Arizona [EMAIL

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Tom Magrini
Pete Lee, Same opinion here. I'm focusing on increased coverage. I plan on piloting 11n over the summer, but I have no plans for deployment at this time. Of the 18,000 or so users that utilize the UA's wireless network, I have not heard any complaints about bandwidth. I wouldn't expect it

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
For those organizations that are risk-averse and/or price conscious, the best choice may be deploying 802.11b/g everywhere now (in positions where an 802.11n AP could be dropped in later) and then upgrading to 802.11n in 2-3 years. This best applies to those who have no wireless today. If you're

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
Dan: All the best. I would be most interested in hearing about your PoE and your approach with existing APs. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: Dan McCarriar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject:

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Jon Freeman
We supplied wi-fi to Interop this year where 60% of all clients connecting were 11a. We're seeing the same stats at the ITU in Geneva during the world radio congress last month. Del'Oro indicated the majority shipping of tri-mode or 11a stations occured in June of 06. Regards, Jon

RE: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
Those are two events with rather technically savvy people who will set their radios to prefer 802.11a. =) So I would call 60% the high watermark. Most organizations will see less than this. Regards, Frank _ From: Jon Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13,

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n Draft 2.0

2007-11-13 Thread Lee H Badman
Hmmm... at SU, in certain areas, we see well over 50% for 802.11a at any given time. Overall, we see around 35-40% 802.11a. One thing that's interesting (not yet proven, but some good circumstantial evidence) is we see our newer Macintoshes clinging like grim death to weak 802.11a cells where g