You make an excellent point. I also teach part time, but would be my own worst
student. Unless the material is absolutely riveting and the instructor totally
engaging, I easily get bored to the point of daydreaming. Connectivity helps me
either productively screw off or to get closer to the mate
I don't think it's an instructor issue or a technical issue. It's a student
issue. Some students will use wifi to goof off in class. Some will use it
to help them take better notes or in other ways to help them do better.
Others won't use it all. The point here is that it's a tool; perhaps a
t
And if you offer guest access, that is another end run that students will find
and use. We prefer to keep the students authenticated and using an encrypted
connection as a matter of general security - anyone heard of Firesheep?
Addressing this issue with technology really is a losing propositio
Block wi-fi and people would likely go cellular. Block cellular and people
would likely go to public safety. Significant liability in event of
endangerment or personal injury.
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And the law of unintended consequences strikes again: Students figure this
out and exchange credentials with those who aren't supposed to be in class
at the time.
End result: not only do you have student using the network, but you've now
compromised the passwords of any number of students.
On Fr
First off, I apologize about responding to this list. I know that the vendor
trolling thing isn't appreciated. I just had an answer to the question at
hand. In lower-ed there are many solutions to this problem - there are
gateway, client and WiFi based solutions. None that I know of are opti
I think there are some merits to your perspective but I don't think you can
solve this problem with technology. We've tried clickers before and they
provide for some interesting interaction in some courses, but it's
logistically complex for academic units, especially in courses that have a
signific
We've looked at it before, the location accuracy is very good, but as I
mentioned before you will need to adjust radius reauth timers for it to work at
its best from my understanding for what is being talked about here. (plus we
didn't really need that level of location tracking, the Trapeze man
We have been wrestling with this idea of blocking students on our
wireless for some time.
I think the solution is to provide technology that increases student
participation in classroom so they won't be as distracted by social
media.
Some technologies that I have come across:
Hotseat by Perdue.
On Nov 19, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Greg Schaffer wrote:
> Oh, I don't think it's worth it; I believe this to be an instruction issue,
> but there are good points on both sides.
>
> Wouldn't need re-authentication; just some method of kicking off those
> authenticated users at specified times. I'm n
Oh, I don't think it's worth it; I believe this to be an instruction issue,
but there are good points on both sides.
Wouldn't need re-authentication; just some method of kicking off those
authenticated users at specified times. I'm not a programmer, nor do I know
if this is done in any product, b
Something to keep in mind with WiFi location services is that the level of
accuracy ranges from 3-10 meters, depending on AP placement, AP density, and
environmental factors. If your deployment isn't built with location accuracy
in mind, then regulating access based on location may not be a viable
I am surprised no one has seen this before.
http://www.trapezenetworks.com/products/rf_firewall/
Location based solution with Trapeze location engine.
Not cheap but it does the job of being able to control access by location as
requested.
We looked at it last year but was cost prohibitive given
On Nov 19, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Greg Schaffer wrote:
>
> Finally, with regards to WiFi blocking, I don't think the simplest solution
> has been offered yet. If the wireless is accessed via credentials, create an
> LDAP/AD/Radius interface that can disable those accounts during a specified
> cl
I just remembered the one reason why I'm against a technical solution
for blocking wifi in classrooms: granularity. What happens when you have
a class (or worse, classes) where the instructors want/require laptop
usage? I think the biggest headache would have to how granular the
access would b
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At 10:56 AM -0600 11/19/10, heath.barnhart wrote:
>Shouldn't be too
>hard, just throwing out some what-ifs.
The first one that pops into my mind is what if the student is not in class
and expecting to get wireless access elsewhere? Perhaps even in th
David said:
"Finally, with regards to WiFi blocking, I don't think the simplest
solution has been offered yet. If the wireless is accessed via
credentials, create an LDAP/AD/Radius interface that can disable those
accounts during a specified class time, or on command from the
instructor. Ca
Greg, your suggestion makes sense in many ways especially as those students
should be in the class! If they are not in class their "punishment" is no
internet on campus... I would have a concern about what happens when a class
location is moved (room or time), or a student changes class/module/c
David,
that's an interesting perspective. I have had the opposite experience when
I have taught. Now, I should say that I am in IT and taught as an adjunct
one intro networking class to 25-35 students. At the beginning of the first
class I told them that I am not going to regulate use of electro
As a faculty member who also closely follows developments in the wireless
industry, I thought I would share my perspective.
I teach an intro networking course to 120 students per semester. I try to
"edutain" whenever possible but it is impossible for me to compete with the
Internet for the attenti
Thanks Philippe.I understand you and share your opinion.However, I have
to complete my research in order to give a conclusion to the authorities of the
Institution.
Kind regards,
Luis Fernando
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Luis,
Cellular networks (usually licensed spectrum) are not under the same
regulations as Wi-Fi (usually unlicensed spectrum).
In the US, for instance, one cannot interfere with the licensed spectrum
(jammers etc...), and when it comes to the unlicensed spectrum (e.g. Wi-Fi),
you have to comply
Thanks Rick. We are in Costa Rica and regulations are different here.
Most of professors want to keep students away from facebook, youtube, blogs,
etc during teaching sessions / exams.We need a device to block wireless
access to the network in the circumference of the classrooms.
Folks, Rules regarding blocking RF may be different in other
countries. He is simply asking if it is possible and how. It is up
to him to obey whatever regulations apply in his situation.
Rick
On 11/19/2010 9:55 AM, Holland, Stephen wrote:
Russ,
Did you mean Northeastern University?.
If so we have had wireless in our classrooms for a few years now and the
service is expanding to support future wireless initiatives in the classroom.
Like others have stated blocking wireless in the classroom is not the solution.
The FCC does not
Yes, we do.The idea is to block any source of wireless connection to the
WiFi network.
lf
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I agree, this is a behavior issue that shouldn't be fixed with
technology.The only real options require authentication and user control
(FTE to maintain), or having an the right number of APs in strategic
positions and shutting them off during class time (costs added
equipment, infrastructure,
My apologies.
I was mot aware of Distrinuted Antenna Systems used with Wi-Fi. I was aware of
the use for cellular carriers, but that is Wireless WAN or MAN, not Wireless
LAN.
Bruce
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