enough already... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sims Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #891 ( -Reply)
This is an automatic reply. I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 Dec 2002. If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office at ext. 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. If Rodney is not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will page Rodney. In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my cell phone number on file. Thanks and have a good holiday, James Sims, Ph.D., Safety Office >>> witango-talk 11/27/02 11:28 >>> witango-talk Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 04:28:54 +1100 V01 #891 Today's topics: 'RE: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #882 ( -Reply)' 'Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #888 ( -Reply)' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:15:57 -0500 From: "Tom Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #882 ( -Reply) There is an upside to this... think of how long his digest will be tomorrow. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sims > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:48 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #882 ( -Reply) > > > This is an automatic reply. > > I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 > Dec 2002. > > If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office > at ext. 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. > If Rodney is not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will > page Rodney. > > In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my > cell phone number on file. > > Thanks and have a good holiday, > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:23:39 -0600 From: "James Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #888 ( -Reply) This is an automatic reply. I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 Dec 2002. = =20 If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office at ext. = 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. If Rodney is = not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will page Rodney.=20 In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my cell phone = number on file. Thanks and have a good holiday,=20 James Sims, Ph.D., Safety Office >>> witango-talk 11/27/02 10:40 >>> witango-talk Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 03:40:42 +1100 V01 #888 Today's topics: 'Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #885 ( -Reply)' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:36:02 -0600 From: "James Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #885 ( -Reply) This is an automatic reply. I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 Dec 2002. = =3D =3D20 If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office at ext. = =3D 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. If Rodney is = =3D not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will page Rodney.=3D20 In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my cell phone = =3D number on file. Thanks and have a good holiday,=3D20 James Sims, Ph.D., Safety Office >>> witango-talk 11/27/02 10:10 >>> witango-talk Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 03:10:01 +1100 V01 #885 Today's topics: 'Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #883 ( -Reply)' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:04:15 -0600 From: "James Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #883 ( -Reply) This is an automatic reply. I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 Dec 2002. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D20 If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office at ext. = =3D =3D3D 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. If Rodney is = =3D =3D3D not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will page Rodney.=3D3D20 In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my cell phone = =3D =3D3D number on file. Thanks and have a good holiday,=3D3D20 James Sims, Ph.D., Safety Office >>> witango-talk 11/27/02 09:51 >>> witango-talk Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:51:36 +1100 V01 #883 Today's topics: 'Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #882 ( -Reply)' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:47:43 -0600 From: "James Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #882 ( -Reply) This is an automatic reply. I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 Dec 2002. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D20 If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office at ext. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. If Rodney is = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will page Rodney.=3D3D3D20 In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my cell phone = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D number on file. Thanks and have a good holiday,=3D3D3D20 James Sims, Ph.D., Safety Office >>> witango-talk 11/27/02 09:33 >>> witango-talk Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:33:40 +1100 V01 #882 Today's topics: 'Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #881 ( -Reply)' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:28:25 -0600 From: "James Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #881 ( -Reply) This is an automatic reply. I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 Dec 2002. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D20 If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office at ext. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. If Rodney is = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will page Rodney.=3D3D3D3D20 In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my cell phone = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D number on file. Thanks and have a good holiday,=3D3D3D3D20 James Sims, Ph.D., Safety Office >>> witango-talk 11/27/02 09:19 >>> witango-talk Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:19:00 +1100 V01 #881 Today's topics: 'Re: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem' 'Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #880 ( -Reply)' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:19:46 -0600 From: "John McGowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem don't put the @include tag in the iframe source... put the url of the taf that you want to populate that iframe... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilcox, Jamileh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem That would explain it. OK, back to the drawing board. Thanks! j > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem > > > This is because the sub TAF (TAF Call in an @INCLUDE) > reference is not processed as a TAF by the server. It is just > passed through as XML inside. The original @INCLUDE > > Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com > Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm > Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of Wilcox, > Jamileh > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem > > Is there a problem with using <@INCLUDE> with a TAF file? > > Or a problem with nesting <@INCLUDE> in an inline frame? > > If so, is there another method to use? > > I've got an entry page that uses an IFrame with a taf src > file. That src file has an <@INCLUDE> for another taf file. > > The browser shows the structure of the final taf file (i.e., > the If/Else statements, the Search statements, etc) rather > than the correct output. There's also a couple of extra > brackets thrown in for good measure (like > so): ]]> > > I've searched all 3 tafs for open brackets, open tags, etc., > without any luck, both looking through the tafs & using the > View Source. I've stripped all 3 tafs down to essentials > (just HTML, HEAD, BODY, etc.) and still have the same problem > (which seems to eliminate the open tags possibility). I've > created new copies of all 3 tafs. Nothing seems to fix this, > so I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing something that Witango > just won't do. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > jamileh > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:02:31 -0600 From: "James Sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Witango-Talk - witango-talk Digest - V01 #880 ( -Reply) This is an automatic reply. I am out of the office from noon on 26 Nov 2002 until Monday, 2 Dec 2002. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D20 If you need immediate assistance, please call the Safety Office at ext. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D 2697 and talk to Rodney Barton, Assistant Safety Officer. If Rodney is = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D not in, leaving a message on our voice mail will page Rodney.=3D3D3D3D3D20 In an emergency, both Rodney Barton and Campus Police have my cell phone = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D number on file. Thanks and have a good holiday,=3D3D3D3D3D20 James Sims, Ph.D., Safety Office >>> witango-talk 11/27/02 07:02 >>> witango-talk Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:02:00 +1100 V01 #880 Today's topics: 'RE: Witango-Talk: Ping' 'RE: Witango-Talk: Ping' 'RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up' 'RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'Re: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up' 'RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'Re: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up' 'Please Clarify' 'Re: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'OT - Happy Anniversary to Me' 'RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'RE: Witango-Talk: Please Clarify' 'RE: Re: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'Re: Witango-Talk: OT - Happy Anniversary to Me' 'RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic' 'RE: Witango-Talk: Please Clarify' '<@INCLUDE> problem' 'RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem' 'RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem' 'RE: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:25:54 -0500 From: Web Dude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Poing! >Pong! > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I didn't >get bounced from the list. > >Thanks > >Steve Fogelson >Internet Commerce Solutions >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body --=3D3D3D3D3D20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:37:12 -0800 From: "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Who server is it now :-) Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm=3D3D3= D3=3D D3=3D3D D2=3D3D3D 0 Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Poing! >Pong! > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I didn't >get bounced from the list. > >Thanks > >Steve Fogelson >Internet Commerce Solutions >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body --=3D3D3D3D3D20 ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:02:29 -0600 From: "Campbell, Steve V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up One more that I forgot to add to that last mail I am using an external to find out the machine name of the user. @@local$nslookup But for some reason it's not returning. If I don't denoted the scope would the command work like : @@nslookup ?? thanks in advance Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:50:22 -0600 From: "Campbell, Steve V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic Since this seems to be the topic at hand: I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals that returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers. =3D3D3D3D3D3D20 The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out ping rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to assign different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to start on the web trying to find that information. Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Who server is it now :-) Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm=3D3D3= D3=3D D3=3D3D D3=3D3D3D D2=3D3D3D3D 0 Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Poing! >Pong! > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I didn't >get bounced from the list. > >Thanks > >Steve Fogelson >Internet Commerce Solutions >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body --=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:23:38 -0800 From: "Atrix Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up thats because without using a scope i believe it defaults to user scope. local scope is just like it implies...local and temporary. user scope sticks with the user until you change or purge it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Campbell, Steve V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up One more that I forgot to add to that last mail I am using an external to find out the machine name of the user. @@local$nslookup But for some reason it's not returning. If I don't denoted the scope would the command work like : @@nslookup ?? thanks in advance Steve ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:25:29 -0500 From: "Tom Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic you might find something useful and dslreports.com > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Campbell, Steve V. > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic >=3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Since this seems to be the topic at hand: >=3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals that > returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers. =3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, > but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out ping > rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to assign > different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no > idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to > start on the web trying to find that information. >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank > you! >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Steve >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Who server is it now :-) >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com > Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm=3D3= D3=3D D3=3D3D D3=3D3D3D D2=3D3D3D3D 0 > Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws >=3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Poing! >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > >Pong! > > > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 > >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > > > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I > didn't > >get bounced from the list. > > > >Thanks > > > >Steve Fogelson > >Internet Commerce Solutions > >_______________________________________________________________________ > _ > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >_______________________________________________________________________ > _ > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > --=3D3D3D3D3D20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:30:51 -0800 From: "Atrix Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic well if you think about it logicly...what do you consider good response = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D time for a server? If your at a web page and it opens up in half a second (500 ms) thats pretty good isnt it? 2 seconds is kinda iffy and 5 seconds and above id say is kinda slow. ::shrug:: :P another thing to consider with network speed besides ping is avaliable bandwidth. Im not sure how youd use this in your calculations or if you even can very easily but if im a server with 1 megabyte per second with 3 users at 330k apeice (leaving aprox 10k bandwidth left) but have quad xeon processors...the ping reply is going to be fast since a ping is small and the processor isnt bogged down, but if someone tried to download a larger file from me, it would take a long time since there is only 10k/second bandwidth left. Make sense? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Campbell, Steve V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic Since this seems to be the topic at hand: I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals that returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers. The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out ping rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to assign different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to start on the web trying to find that information. Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Who server is it now :-) Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Poing! >Pong! > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I didn't >get bounced from the list. > >Thanks > >Steve Fogelson >Internet Commerce Solutions >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body -- ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:32:27 -0800 From: "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up Just a clarification, if you do not specify scope it defaults to the "DEFAULTSCOPE=3D3D3D3D3D3D" that is defined in the T4SERVER.INI and new = =3D =3D3D3D WITANGO.INI=3D3D3D3D . Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm=3D3D3= D3=3D D3=3D3D D2=3D3D3D 0 Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Atrix Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: Re: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up thats because without using a scope i believe it defaults to user scope. local scope is just like it implies...local and temporary. user scope sticks with the user until you change or purge it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Campbell, Steve V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Name Look Up One more that I forgot to add to that last mail I am using an external to find out the machine name of the user. @@local$nslookup But for some reason it's not returning. If I don't denoted the scope would the command work like : @@nslookup ?? thanks in advance Steve ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:40:27 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Please Clarify Now that one platform has left the version 5 Beta world, we've now got readers who are using at least 3 different versions of Witango/Tango (3.x, 2000/4.x, and 5.x). Therefore it would help everyone if when you post to = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D the list, you could provide some general information when asking a question. I was reading the reply that Atrix sent, which is correct if the product is Witango 4.x/2000 and earlier but is incorrect if you are using Witango 5.0 or greater. Please include version, platform, database, method of connection (ODBC, iODBC, OCI, etc.) and any other details that would be relevant to your question. Thanks, Steve Smith Oakbridge Information Solutions Office: (519) 624-4388 GTA: (416) 606-3885 Fax: (519) 624-3353 Cell: (416) 606-3885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.oakbridge.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:50:52 -0500 From: Robert Shubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic It's something like this, in the internet: 1-10 ms (milliseconds): Excellent (typically local 10/100 network) 11-50 ms: Typical for T1s, T3s, etc. 51-100 ms: Typical for Frame Relay, DSL, ISDN etc. 101-300 ms: Typical for 56K dial-up Modems 301+ ms: getting bad, probably some congestion 1000+ ms (1 second): horrible, mis-route or some other failure You should always do about 10 pings and get the average, since a packet drop, a route build, or a collision can cause the occasional packet to be hundreds of ms more than it should be. Robert Shubert Tronics "Campbell, Steve V." wrote: >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Since this seems to be the topic at hand: >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals that > returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers. >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, > but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out ping > rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to assign > different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no > idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to > start on the web trying to find that information. >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank > you! >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Steve >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Who server is it now :-) >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com > Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm > Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > Poing! >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > >Pong! > > > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 > >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > > > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I > didn't > >get bounced from the list. > > > >Thanks > > > >Steve Fogelson > >Internet Commerce Solutions > >_______________________________________________________________________ > _ > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >_______________________________________________________________________ > _ > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > -- > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:51:22 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: OT - Happy Anniversary to Me I'm not sure why I remember this kind of useless trivia, but if my memory serves me correctly, I joined EveryWare on November 25th 1995. Yesterday marked 7 years since I first used Tango and became a member of the =3D =3D3D3D3D3D original Tango-Talk list and I've enjoyed every minute. Thank you to all of you who have made the last 7 years so enjoyable and I look forward to spending many more years here. Steve Smith Oakbridge Information Solutions Office: (519) 624-4388 GTA: (416) 606-3885 Fax: (519) 624-3353 Cell: (416) 606-3885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.oakbridge.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:59:13 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic I'm not sure what your ultimate goal is but wouldn't it be useful to store this information over time and compare current results to an average? Just a thought, Steve Smith Oakbridge Information Solutions Office: (519) 624-4388 GTA: (416) 606-3885 Fax: (519) 624-3353 Cell: (416) 606-3885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.oakbridge.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Shubert > Sent: November 26, 2002 1:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic > > > It's something like this, in the internet: > > 1-10 ms (milliseconds): Excellent (typically local 10/100 network) > 11-50 ms: Typical for T1s, T3s, etc. > 51-100 ms: Typical for Frame Relay, DSL, ISDN etc. > 101-300 ms: Typical for 56K dial-up Modems > 301+ ms: getting bad, probably some congestion > 1000+ ms (1 second): horrible, mis-route or some other failure > > You should always do about 10 pings and get the average, since a packet > drop, a route build, or a collision can cause the occasional packet to > be hundreds of ms more than it should be. > > Robert Shubert > Tronics > > "Campbell, Steve V." wrote: > > > > Since this seems to be the topic at hand: > > > > I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D that > > returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers. > > > > The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, > > but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. > > > > I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D ping > > rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D assign > > different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no > > idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to > > start on the web trying to find that information. > > > > Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D Thank > > you! > > > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping > > > > Who server is it now :-) > > > > Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com > > Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm > > Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping > > > > Poing! > > > > >Pong! > > > > > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 > > >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > > > > > > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I > > didn't > > >get bounced from the list. > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Steve Fogelson > > >Internet Commerce Solutions > > >______________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D _ > > _ > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > >______________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D _ > > _ > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D _ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D m > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > _______________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D _ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D m > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > _______________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D _ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D m > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:04:28 -0500 From: Web Dude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic Since I have several T1's, with 30+ sites, ping rates have always=3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 been paramount in testing the connection. Unfortunately, ping rates=3D3D3D3= D3=3D D2=3D3D 0 will fluctuate widely according to connections, time of day, other=3D3D3D3D= 3D=3D 20=3D3D traffic, etc. Normally, I can get pings of 10 ms or less to sites=3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 like google.com, alexa.com, netsol.com sending 56 byte packages..=3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 Sometimes the rates will go down to 4 to 5 ms. Of cource this is T1=3D3D3D3= D3=3D D2=3D3D 0 rates and my bandwidth for each pipe is rated at 1.5 mgs per sec,=3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 point to point. As soon as you get into ISDN and DSL, the rates=3D3D3D3D3D2= 0 change. Also, local trafiic on your network and any subnets you are=3D3D3D3= D3=3D D2=3D3D 0 on with your provider also can be a factor. On really bad or heavy days, I have seen these rates go up to 50 ms.=3D3D3D= 3D=3D 3D=3D3D 20=3D3D3D Of course when pinging, let's say, Brazil, rates can be 500 ms to =3D3D3D in=3D3D3D3D3D20 the thousands with many packet losses. Hope this helps... >Since this seems to be the topic at hand: > > >I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals that >returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers.=3D3D3D3D3D20 > >The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, >but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. > >I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out ping >rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to assign >different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no >idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to >start on the web trying to find that information. > >Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank >you! > >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping > >Who server is it now :-) > >Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com >Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm >Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping > >Poing! > >>Pong! >> >>I was wondering if there was a problem too... >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 >>To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >>Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping >> >> >>My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I >didn't >>get bounced from the list. >> >>Thanks >> >>Steve Fogelson >>Internet Commerce Solutions >>_______________________________________________________________________ >_ >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >>_______________________________________________________________________ >_ >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > >-- >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body --=3D3D3D3D3D20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:52:50 -0600 From: "Campbell, Steve V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Please Clarify Steve Is this the new rule now? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: Witango-Talk: Please Clarify Now that one platform has left the version 5 Beta world, we've now got readers who are using at least 3 different versions of Witango/Tango (3.x, 2000/4.x, and 5.x). Therefore it would help everyone if when you post to the list, you could provide some general information when asking a question. I was reading the reply that Atrix sent, which is correct if the product is Witango 4.x/2000 and earlier but is incorrect if you are using Witango 5.0 or greater. Please include version, platform, database, method of connection (ODBC, iODBC, OCI, etc.) and any other details that would be relevant to your question. Thanks, Steve Smith Oakbridge Information Solutions Office: (519) 624-4388 GTA: (416) 606-3885 Fax: (519) 624-3353 Cell: (416) 606-3885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.oakbridge.ca ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:10:58 -0600 From: "Campbell, Steve V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Re: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic THANK YOU! -----Original Message----- From: Robert Shubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Ping Rate-Off Topic It's something like this, in the internet: 1-10 ms (milliseconds): Excellent (typically local 10/100 network) 11-50 ms: Typical for T1s, T3s, etc. 51-100 ms: Typical for Frame Relay, DSL, ISDN etc. 101-300 ms: Typical for 56K dial-up Modems 301+ ms: getting bad, probably some congestion 1000+ ms (1 second): horrible, mis-route or some other failure You should always do about 10 pings and get the average, since a packet drop, a route build, or a collision can cause the occasional packet to be hundreds of ms more than it should be. Robert Shubert Tronics "Campbell, Steve V." wrote: >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Since this seems to be the topic at hand: >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals that > returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers. >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, > but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out ping > rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to assign > different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no > idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to > start on the web trying to find that information. >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank > you! >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Steve >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Who server is it now :-) >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com > Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm > Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Poing! >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >Pong! > > > >I was wondering if there was a problem too... > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 > >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping > > > > > >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I > didn't > >get bounced from the list. > > > >Thanks > > > >Steve Fogelson > >Internet Commerce Solutions > >_______________________________________________________________________ > _ > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > >_______________________________________________________________________ > _ > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > -- > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:25:51 -0500 From: "THOMAS PETERS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: OT - Happy Anniversary to Me <html><div style=3D3D3D3D3D3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>you da man...<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>Thomas Peters=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Imagery Graphics=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV>Home: 603-598-7544=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV>Mobile: 603-566-5406=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Steve Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV>>To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk <WITANGO-TALK@W= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D ITANGO.COM> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Witango-Talk: OT - Happy Anniversary to Me=3D3D3D3D= 3D=3D 20=3D3D <DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:51:22 -0500=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV>>=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV>>I'm not sure why I remember this kind of useless trivia, = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D but if my memory=3D3D3D3D3D20 <DIV></DIV>>serves me correctly, I joined EveryWare on November 25th = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D 1995. 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Are you pinging all the way across the internet to someone else's server, = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D or=3D3D3D3D3D20 are you pinging your gateway router. You might want to think about using tracert or neo trace where you can =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D see=3D3D3D3D3D20 the timing of each hop along the way. Once you get past your firewall,=3D3= D3=3D D3=3D3D D3=3D3D3D D2=3D3D3D3D 0 router, and your ISPs gateway, you don't have any control over the timing. = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D20 I have an automated IP monitor that continually pings the gateway for my = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D DSL=3D3D3D3D3D20 router, so I know that my connection is always up, and when it goes down, = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D I=3D3D3D3D3D20 know it before qwest (my isp) does. Troy Sosamon =3D3D3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D3D3D3D Original = Message =3D from =3D3D witango-talk@wita=3D3D3D ngo.com =3D3D3D3D at 11/26/02 =3D3D3D3D3D 11:50 am >It's something like this, in the internet: > >1-10 ms (milliseconds): Excellent (typically local 10/100 network) >11-50 ms: Typical for T1s, T3s, etc. >51-100 ms: Typical for Frame Relay, DSL, ISDN etc. >101-300 ms: Typical for 56K dial-up Modems >301+ ms: getting bad, probably some congestion >1000+ ms (1 second): horrible, mis-route or some other failure > >You should always do about 10 pings and get the average, since a packet >drop, a route build, or a collision can cause the occasional packet to >be hundreds of ms more than it should be. > >Robert Shubert >Tronics > >"Campbell, Steve V." wrote: >> >> Since this seems to be the topic at hand: >> >> I created an application that goes out and runs a set of externals that >> returns ping rates on IP's and Port Numbers. >> >> The hard part of this application I received help with from this list, >> but, the last part of this application I have ran into a wall. >> >> I need to know where I can be "steered" out on the web to find out ping >> rates and what is considered good, okay and bad. I am trying to assign >> different images to different ping rates, but, to be honest, I have no >> idea what is considered good or bad AND, I don't even know where to >> start on the web trying to find that information. >> >> Any knowledge in this area or help would be greatly appreciated! Thank >> you! >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:37 AM >> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >> >> Who server is it now :-) >> >> Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com >> Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm >> Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Web Dude >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:26 AM >> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Ping >> >> Poing! >> >> >Pong! >> > >> >I was wondering if there was a problem too... >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Fogelson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >Sent: 25 November 2002 22:46 >> >To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >> >Subject: Witango-Talk: Ping >> > >> > >> >My web services were down this weekend. Just wanted to make sure I >> didn't >> >get bounced from the list. >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> >Steve Fogelson >> >Internet Commerce Solutions >> >_______________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> _ >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >> >_______________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> _ >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >> >> -- >> ________________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >> >> ________________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >> ________________________________________________________________________= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]= =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:35:51 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Please Clarify As far as I know, there are no rules for the list, it's always been something that we should be doing. I've seen answers that have been =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D provided that were well intended, and were in some ways correct, but were not accurate for the specific question because the original post failed to include that it was a specific platform, etc. It was a gentle reminder =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D that I used to post (when I was list Mom) whenever a new version went into production which as we all know, hasn't happened in a very, very, long =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D time. The response that Atrix sent made me remember. Hope this helps, Steve Smith Oakbridge Information Solutions Office: (519) 624-4388 GTA: (416) 606-3885 Fax: (519) 624-3353 Cell: (416) 606-3885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.oakbridge.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Campbell, Steve V. > Sent: November 26, 2002 1:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Please Clarify > > > Steve > > Is this the new rule now? > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:40 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: Witango-Talk: Please Clarify > > Now that one platform has left the version 5 Beta world, we've now got > readers who are using at least 3 different versions of Witango/Tango > (3.x, > 2000/4.x, and 5.x). Therefore it would help everyone if when you post to > the > list, you could provide some general information when asking a question. > I > was reading the reply that Atrix sent, which is correct if the product > is > Witango 4.x/2000 and earlier but is incorrect if you are using Witango > 5.0 > or greater. > > Please include version, platform, database, method of connection (ODBC, > iODBC, OCI, etc.) and any other details that would be relevant to your > question. > > Thanks, > > Steve Smith > > Oakbridge Information Solutions > Office: (519) 624-4388 > GTA: (416) 606-3885 > Fax: (519) 624-3353 > Cell: (416) 606-3885 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: http://www.oakbridge.ca > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:04:16 -0600 From: "Wilcox, Jamileh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <@INCLUDE> problem Is there a problem with using <@INCLUDE> with a TAF file? Or a problem with nesting <@INCLUDE> in an inline frame? If so, is there another method to use? I've got an entry page that uses an IFrame with a taf src file. That src file has an <@INCLUDE> for another taf file. =3D3D3D3D3D3D20 The browser shows the structure of the final taf file (i.e., the If/Else statements, the Search statements, etc) rather than the correct output. There's also a couple of extra brackets thrown in for good measure (like so): ]]> I've searched all 3 tafs for open brackets, open tags, etc., without any luck, both looking through the tafs & using the View Source. I've stripped all 3 tafs down to essentials (just HTML, HEAD, BODY, etc.) and still have the same problem (which seems to eliminate the open tags possibility). I've created new copies of all 3 tafs. Nothing seems to fix this, so I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing something that Witango just won't do. Any suggestions? Thanks! jamileh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:51:02 -0800 From: "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem This is because the sub TAF (TAF Call in an @INCLUDE) reference is not processed as a TAF by the server. It is just passed through as XML inside. The original @INCLUDE Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm=3D3D3= D3=3D D3=3D3D D2=3D3D3D 0 Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Wilcox, Jamileh Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem Is there a problem with using <@INCLUDE> with a TAF file? Or a problem with nesting <@INCLUDE> in an inline frame? If so, is there another method to use? I've got an entry page that uses an IFrame with a taf src file. That src file has an <@INCLUDE> for another taf file. =3D3D3D3D3D20 The browser shows the structure of the final taf file (i.e., the If/Else statements, the Search statements, etc) rather than the correct output. There's also a couple of extra brackets thrown in for good measure (like so): ]]> I've searched all 3 tafs for open brackets, open tags, etc., without any luck, both looking through the tafs & using the View Source. I've stripped all 3 tafs down to essentials (just HTML, HEAD, BODY, etc.) and still have the same problem (which seems to eliminate the open tags possibility). I've created new copies of all 3 tafs. Nothing seems to fix this, so I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing something that Witango just won't do. Any suggestions? Thanks! jamileh ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:09:29 -0600 From: "Wilcox, Jamileh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem Well, I tried using branch in the SRC file (instead of the INCLUDE), but nothing shows up at all with that. It sounds like you're saying I should set up the branch in the first taf, but I don't know how to set up a branch within an <IFRAME>. Can that be done? Thanks! j > -----Original Message----- > From: run run [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:48 PM > To: Wilcox, Jamileh > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > PLEASE REPLY TO THIS ADDRESS: >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > First, you ought to try branch action for your parent=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > frame and than use <@include> in your child frame. >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > The "]]>" is an xml source of your tango code. > It's not translated properly from tango.dtd partly > because parant frame call(using <@include>) the > <@include> source code of inner frame.. >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Anyway, See Branch action for more detail, I think > this will help you.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Tabi.. >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > --- "Wilcox, Jamileh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Is there a problem with using <@INCLUDE> with a TAF > > file? > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > Or a problem with nesting <@INCLUDE> in an inline > > frame? > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > If so, is there another method to use? > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > I've got an entry page that uses an IFrame with a > > taf src file. That > > src file has an <@INCLUDE> for another taf file. > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > The browser shows the structure of the final taf > > file (i.e., the If/Else > > statements, the Search statements, etc) rather than > > the correct output. > > There's also a couple of extra brackets thrown in > > for good measure (like > > so): ]]> > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > I've searched all 3 tafs for open brackets, open > > tags, etc., without any > > luck, both looking through the tafs & using the View > > Source. I've > > stripped all 3 tafs down to essentials (just HTML, > > HEAD, BODY, etc.) and > > still have the same problem (which seems to > > eliminate the open tags > > possibility). I've created new copies of all 3 > > tafs. Nothing seems to > > fix this, so I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing > > something that Witango > > just won't do. > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > Any suggestions? > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > Thanks! > > jamileh > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the > > message body >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:00:23 -0600 From: "Wilcox, Jamileh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem That would explain it. OK, back to the drawing board. Thanks! j > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > This is because the sub TAF (TAF Call in an @INCLUDE)=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > reference is not processed as a TAF by the server. It is just=3D3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 > passed through as XML inside. The original @INCLUDE >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com > Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm=3D3= D3=3D D3=3D3D D3=3D3D3D D3=3D3D3D3D D2=3D3D3D3D3D 0 > Latest downloads & List Archives @ http://www.witango.ws >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of Wilcox,=3D3D3D3D3D= 3D=3D 20=3D3D > Jamileh > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: Witango-Talk: <@INCLUDE> problem >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Is there a problem with using <@INCLUDE> with a TAF file? >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Or a problem with nesting <@INCLUDE> in an inline frame? >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > If so, is there another method to use? >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > I've got an entry page that uses an IFrame with a taf src=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > file. That src file has an <@INCLUDE> for another taf file. =3D3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > The browser shows the structure of the final taf file (i.e.,=3D3D3D3D3D3D= 20=3D > the If/Else statements, the Search statements, etc) rather=3D3D3D3D3D3D20= > than the correct output. There's also a couple of extra=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > brackets thrown in for good measure (like > so): ]]> >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > I've searched all 3 tafs for open brackets, open tags, etc.,=3D3D3D3D3D3D= 20=3D > without any luck, both looking through the tafs & using the=3D3D3D3D3D3D2= 0 > View Source. I've stripped all 3 tafs down to essentials=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > (just HTML, HEAD, BODY, etc.) and still have the same problem=3D3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 > (which seems to eliminate the open tags possibility). I've=3D3D3D3D3D3D2= 0 > created new copies of all 3 tafs. Nothing seems to fix this,=3D3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 > so I'm starting to wonder if I'm doing something that Witango=3D3D3D3D3D3= D2=3D 0 > just won't do. >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Any suggestions? >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > Thanks! > jamileh >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 ------------------------------ End of witango-talk Digest V01 #880 *********************************** ------------------------------ End of witango-talk Digest V01 #881 *********************************** ------------------------------ End of witango-talk Digest V01 #882 *********************************** ------------------------------ End of witango-talk Digest V01 #883 *********************************** ------------------------------ End of witango-talk Digest V01 #885 *********************************** ------------------------------ End of witango-talk Digest V01 #888 *********************************** ------------------------------ End of witango-talk Digest V01 #891 *********************************** ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body