James Ellis wrote:
I know this may have been said before, but this list is too cool.
how do you mean?
Michael, wikis are always going to be trouble - just because it is a
wiki, if you know what I mean.
yes i do, i don't like wikis but *sometimes* they can be useful.
I think it'd be great if one
Until late last year, the government department we had dealings with
used everything from NS4 and IE5 to some guy in the corner cubicle using
Mosaic on 95. Thankfully they upgrade the entire department to WinXP
pro.
ChrisB
On Sat, 2004-01-17 at 01:51, Vaska.WSG wrote:
> That's very interesting
Bet you they are still running Mosaic... :D
It's available at browsers.evolt.org
Cheers
James
Chris Blown wrote:
Until late last year, the government department we had dealings with
used everything from NS4 and IE5 to some guy in the corner cubicle using
Mosaic on 95. Thankfully they upgrade the
Here a fairly scathing article on the
drawbacks of XML1.1, starting out with some rules:
1.
Don't use it.
2.
(For experts only) If you speak
Mongolian, Yi, Cambodian, Amharic, Dhivehi, Burmese, or a very few other
languages and you want to write your markup (not your text but yo
Hey there crew,
just finished marking up the templates for a new site we're
building here at werk. At the moment it validates a-ok - but I was wondering if
you guys could run your keen eyes over it to see if there are any
bugs.
I've tested the markup in a few browsers - but haven't been
Title: Re: [WSG] bug check - does it
break?
Yep - spelling mistake in the
Peter
just finished marking up
the templates for a new site we're building here at werk. At the
moment it validates a-ok - but I was wondering if you guys could run
your keen eyes over it to see if there are any
bugs.
--
Ben,
Seem to be working fine on win2000 IE 5.5 - nice work.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] bug check - does it break?
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:14:11 +1100
>Hey there crew,
>
>just finished marking up the templates for a new site we'
Looks good Ben. One thing you might want to add as icing on the cake is a
table sorter for tha table in on the last page.
Check out - http://www.brainjar.com/dhtml/tablesort/ - I came across this a
while ago, its all client side js stuff, but it works pretty well works in
IE & Moz and requires co
Ben,
After a preliminary run-through on IE 5.0 and IE
5.5, there are a few issues:
Issues on both browsers:
* The page is not fixed-width
in either of them. It's left-aligned and seems to continue across the page
(example: the background green-colour behind the photo on the login page
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Ben Webster wrote:
I've tested the markup in a few browsers - but haven't been able to
test yet on Win95, 98, 2000, IE5 or Mac OS 8+9.
http://conversantstudios.com.au/apa/
http://www.conversantstudios.com.au/apa/index_02.html
http://www.conversantstudi
Title: Rave or Valid point
What do you reckon, a Rave or Valid point?
http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/archive/2004/01/?141800
Tell me and I will forget
Show me and I will remember
Teach me and I will learn
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 12:20 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
What do you reckon, a Rave or Valid point?
http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/archive/2004/01/?141800
My answer (also posted as a blog comment):
Form widgets come from the user's OS (Operating System) or UA (User
Agent/Browser), and
Yes, I get the same with Firebird under Linux, though gtk1/2 support is
much better than it once was.
Is Camino still in development? Its uses native widgets, doesn't it?
ChrisB
> It's also for this very same reason that I dislike what Mozilla does
> with form widgets, which (at least on Mac O
I think you are looking for cursor:pointer (hand does not exist) -
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#cursor-props
Also I disagree with the idea that hand == clickable. Mouse over your file
menu (in windows) or any other button menu item for that matter & you get
the arrow not the hand.
I think
Form widgets come from the user's OS (Operating System) or UA (User
Agent/Browser), and (IMHO) should behave in a manner to which the user
is accustomed. Adding a cursor hand to the button may seem like you're
helping the user by adding a visual cue, but you may in fact be
confusing the user,
I think you are looking for cursor:pointer (hand does not exist) -
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#cursor-props
You are correct, hand is a windows thingy.
I will adjust my text accordingly.
Also I disagree with the idea that hand == clickable. Mouse over yo
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:08 PM, Chris Blown wrote:
Yes, I get the same with Firebird under Linux, though gtk1/2 support is
much better than it once was.
Is Camino still in development? Its uses native widgets, doesn't it?
Yes it does, but I've heard there's a hurdle with Panther (wouldn
> What do reckon it does represent then? The pointer that is.
>From the spec (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#cursor-props):
pointer
The cursor is a pointer that indicates a link.
Cheers
Mark
--
Mark Stanton
Technical Director
Gruden Pty Ltd
Tel: 9956 6388
Mob: 041
Ok, I know what it says, but to me it represents a hand holding a mouse and the index
finger in the click position.
I reckon this icon is chosen so that it creates clarity for a user in regards to the
object being a clickable object.
I button in that matter to me is also a clickable object.
Bu
Works fine in Mozilla 1.5 and IE6 on Windows
XP.
Nice layout.
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From:
Ben Webster
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:14
PM
Subject: [WSG] bug check - does it
break?
Hey there crew,
just finished marking up the temp
Title: Rave or Valid point
Well, what you're saying is true, but the buttons
are obviously clickable. People know that. As opposed to text links,
where people might not know they are clickable until the cursor changes. I
guess you do have a point.
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From:
Title: Rave or Valid point
If I
look at it from a usability perspective then we should not assume that people
know that - that is really the whole point i'm trying to
make.
PS: I
hope this topic is not considered OFF-TOPIC?
-Original Message-From: Andrew Cheong
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> Ok, I know what it says, but to me it represents a hand holding a
> mouse and the index finger in the click position.
> I reckon this icon is chosen so that it creates clarity for a
> user in regards to the object being a clickable object.
>
> I button in that matter to me is also a clickable ob
If I understand you correctly you are saying we should not touch the
design of a button because it could confuse the user, that would mean
every website would have GREY buttons.
I personally think you can style the buttons as much as you like, as
long as they are CONSISTENT throughout your site
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:21 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
Any more ideas on this matter from other people?
What your saying makes sense in a way - but I reckon it is not a valid
argument not to classify the button as a clickable object and make
this visible.
I didn't say it wasn't clickable.
Why does the CSS filter for alpha opacity not work
in Mozilla (1.4, 1.5, 1.6)? Look at http://www.xdemi.com/music/main.php?s=fun&p=links on
I.E. - notice the background of the "front window" is transparent. In
Mozilla and Netscape, it does not do this...
I am an amateur designer - guess
We don't have to agree at all, but here's my point. A lot of users are
*not* dumb. They realise that links aren't always underlined with blue
text. They realise that buttons may not always look like what they're
used to -- this is good for you.
---
Agreed, a lot of users ar
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:50 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
Ok, I know what it says, but to me it represents a hand holding a
mouse and the index finger in the click position.
NO! That may be what the icon looks like for YOU in YOUR ENVIRONMENT
but it may look completely different on another O
There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the list, so
here goes some OT goodness:
A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16, both must
be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted, especially Plone, i
love what th
> Not proposing anything, just want to hear the opinion of other people on
this matter, see if there is a valid point that will
> make me think otherwise about my opinion ;-)) Just because I have an
opinion doesn't mean its the right one - therefore I like
> to debate it...
If looks like a button
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below.
Hi Andrew,
The alpha filter is part of a whole horrible proprietary extension to CSS
given to us by microsoft - and even the way they implemented it was not in
keeping with CSS standards.
CSS3 has (or will have) support for the opaci
> p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email
me direct if you really want to be part of my little survey...
Write a website app for it ;)
Gary Menzel
Web Development Manager
IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited
Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4
Hi Andrew,
Those CSS "filters" are proprietary Internet Explorer. They are not part of
any W3C CSS specification. Therefore it's highly unlikely you will EVER see
support for them in any other browser.
Read more about them here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author
Hi Gary,
Actually that would've been a much better way to ask the question without actually
asking an OT subject...
e.g. "Please check out this CSS layout at http://blah.com, and while ur there why not
submit your age..."
So much for my creative thinking!
MT.
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From
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 04:03 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
Agreed, a lot of users are not dumb, so they also understand that its
a button even when on mouseover the cursor turns into a hand|pointer,
so it would be more wise (IMHO) to think about that % that is not so
familiar with the web.
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