Re: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-18 Thread Chris Stratford
No you fool! You messed it up... It's a standard that only members get :-) Ben Hamilton wrote: Richard Czeiger wrote: no secret handshake?! I'm outta here! ;oP Richard It's a standard that only members get :-) Ben. ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-18 Thread Natalie Buxton
add a visibility:hidden and Im in. Seriously though, this list is very high volume, but I vaguely recall being warned of that when I signed up which is why I used a specific account for it. Good mail filtering solves any issues one may have with the volume. On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:09:11 +1000, B

Re: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-18 Thread Ben Hamilton
Richard Czeiger wrote: no secret handshake?! I'm outta here! ;oP Richard It's a standard that only members get :-) Ben. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some h

Re: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-18 Thread Richard Czeiger
no secret handshake?! I'm outta here!   ;oP   Richard - Original Message - From: Peter Firminger To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box? Hi Casey,   While an

RE: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Casey,   While answering your question I am also answering some other enquiries I have had recently so it's of interest to all (otherwise I'd answer off list).   Joining WSG simply means joining the WSG mailing list. That's all there is (well, you can also add resources to the website as a

Re: [WSG] Web Design for PDA?

2004-10-18 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Isabel Santos wrote: It seams to me that the pda is trying to render the normal css (principalquasar40.css) and not the pda's one - 01pda.css (where the central column should occupy all the screen not showing any body background and widths should be mutch smaller). Unfortunately this is almost a

Re: [WSG] Web Design for PDA?

2004-10-18 Thread Dilip Samuel
Hi Isabel, I hope you read my previous mail. Here is the XHTML version of your HTML document with just one error which of course can be rectified by you. The file is sent in the form of an attachment. Let me know your opinion as to how it works now. Regards, Dilip Samuel On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21

[WSG] Tables inside DIVs are misbehavin'

2004-10-18 Thread Anura
I'm struggling with something really basic - how to get tables within a DIV to behave nicely in bother MSIE and everything else. I have a CSS-based design. The important part is a wrapper DIV (#main) that contains an absolutely positioned right-hand bar (#right) and the content area (#content). #c

Re: [WSG] Web Design for PDA?

2004-10-18 Thread Dilip Samuel
Hello Isabel Santos, Please use or convert your HTML to XHTML. XHTML is universal in the sense because small devices can easily read XHTML. This is so because XHTML has properly nested tags. Regards, Dilip Samuel On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:45:34 +0100, Isabel Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [WSG] A little IE problem with drop shadows

2004-10-18 Thread Natalie Buxton
.shadowbox .content { } Should fix it. I didn't test it, so I could be wrong. But that's the syntax from the original example. Cheers. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:27:03 -0600, Richard Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All: > > I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on why the drop

Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???

2004-10-18 Thread Shane Helm
That worked! Sweet! My last problem seems also to be only in IE on the PC. Between the top button that says "SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER" and the 12px tan border of the header bar there is a green space where those 2 graphics aren't lining up. Got any reason why this is a problem? http://sonz

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Chris Blown wrote: Did I mention I hate analogies. ;) as in your expansion of the analogy you're blaming *users* of IE, rather than the developers that purely cater for IE and/or the programmers at MS who made the leaky car, i'd say it's not too accurate anyway ;) Patrick H. Lauke _

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Chris Blown
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 22:14, Dean Jackson wrote: > .. > Would you intentionally build a car park that stopped Toyotas from > entering? > If there was a lot of Toyotas parking in my building and being that they all leaked oil in my car park and often their drivers scratched other peoples cars beca

RE: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-18 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Hi Casey, welcome to the group. I never tried the Digest Mode, but it sounds to me as if that might be doing what you want. The way I personally set up my email account is to automatically move all emails from this group into a dedicated folder, so that they are seperate from all my other email. I

[WSG] A little IE problem with drop shadows

2004-10-18 Thread Richard Spence
Hello All: I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on why the drop shadows on a new page that I am working on don't work. http://www.runningman.ca/private/test/shadows.html I got the original code from: http://labs.silverorange.com/archives/2004/january/shadowboxing The drop shadows work

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Thanks to Russ for offering some serious criticism that I could use to explore the weaknesses of this technique. I think I'll add a follow up post about this one just because the original article only gave it as a snippet and really didn't explain any advantages or shortcommings. > So, apologies t

Re: [WSG] breaking long urls

2004-10-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Is there any way to force word wrap, even on single words such as url’s in a valid cross browser friendly way? I think the short answer would be no. Depending on the exact need you have, you could set a specific width and overflow:hidden to the block containing the url, in which case they'll sim

[WSG] Web Design for PDA?

2004-10-18 Thread Isabel Santos
Hi all,hope this isn't out of scope, both on css-d and wsg:   On the template I'm working on, I decided it would be cool to give it a pda friendly version, for the target public would be kind of eager for new technologies.Following the ALA article on taking your site into the smaller screen,

SV: [WSG] breaking long urls

2004-10-18 Thread standards
Ups.. Guess I forgot to press ctrl-v:   white-space: pre-wrap;   /* css-3 */ white-space: -moz-pre-wrap;  /* Mozilla, since 1999 */ white-space: -pre-wrap;  /* Opera 4-6 */ white-space: -o-pre-wrap;    /* Opera 7 */ word-wrap: break-word;   /* Internet Explorer 5.5+ */    

[WSG] breaking long urls

2004-10-18 Thread standards
Hi all   I’m having a bit of a problem with long urls in a 3 column web layout. I want the urls to be in my right column, but they are to long and wont wrap properly because they are a single word. I have found the following css rules, but the ie tag doesn’t validate. Is there any way

Re: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-10-18 Thread Indranil Dasgupta
Hi, just do this. Send an email from your subscribed account to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "set mode digest wsg" (no quotes) as the BODY (not subject) and it will be so. And you will just receive one email every few days or so containing every mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still keep getting th

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
russ - maxdesign wrote: You may have been thinking about CSS-Discuss where it came up recently: And Webmasterworld: Thanks Russ. It must have been the css-d thread since looking back I see that I read it and since the Webmasterworld reference was my postI guess I got the line height addition

Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???

2004-10-18 Thread Shane Helm
Will do Mike. Thanks for the constructive criticism. I'll delete the full screen. Good suggestion. Shane Helm On Oct 16, 2004, at 6:43 PM, Michael Allan wrote: On Saturday, October 16, 2004, at 03:13 PM, Shane Helm wrote: Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! If others have solved your

[WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-18 Thread SRG
Hi, I just JOINED your group last night and now find my email box bomb-barred with to many messages / how do I stop them and still remain a member of your group. I  simple want to read the messages from your boards. Is that what the Digest Mode does, because that is not clearly indicate

[WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-10-18 Thread Trick . JR
I still keep getting these digest emails even though I unsubscribed. Please take me off your list. Thank you. Jim Trick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14, October, 2004 13:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Mark Harwood
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:35 , Christie Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: >"Why is this site best viewed with FireFox? Try it and experience the >difference." I do like this approach, and even tho i do link to Browserhappy.com and spreadfirefox i think the NON-IE bit should be reworked to promote th

RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Christie Mason
Instead of going negative, how about going positive? Most people don't know that they have a choice of browsers and they're scared that if they install a different one, that the computer will "break". To "help" people understand that the browser world is wider than IE, I put this linked notice on

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread James Ellis
Mark There are quite a few articles now in the mainstream media that expose the Skoda like qualities of IE, maybe you should link to these? Sydney Morning Herald ICON section quite regularly rates Opera and Moz as the best available. PC User Australia had a big article "Why you shouldn't use IE

Re: [WSG] Validator error

2004-10-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mordechai Peller wrote: what I would like to know is "Why?" ok, but the "What" wasn't quite clear, hence my question. Try: —Test Ok, see what you mean now. Well, for the "Why" I think the only explanation that I can think of is "you may be experiencing a cascade failure — one error that gets T

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread russ - maxdesign
> I remember reading a similar suggestion a while back (I don't remember > where) which included {border : 0; font-site 100.1%; line-height : 1.6;} > (actually, other than being there, I don't remember what the line height > was, but I suppose it doesn't matter for this thread). You may have been

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread russ - maxdesign
I've been thinking on and off all day and I'd like to do an ignominious about-face on the zeroing margin and padding technique. My initial concerns were that: 1. could be more verbose 2. could confuse less-savy future developers. The verbose issue is easy to overcome. You can zero margins and pad

Re: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Make sure to grab my "served as 'application/xhtml+xml' where available" badge ;) http://www.splintered.co.uk/about/ Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread XStandard
One of the pillars of Web Standards is that "content" should be "Best Viewed With Any Browser". This principle is fundamental to Web Standards. We actually adhere to this principle when we use the CSS "import" directive to hide CSS from Netscape 4 so that it's poor support for CSS is not going t

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Mark Harwood
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:58 , john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: >Doesn't ditching IE run contrary to the whole idea of accessibility and >using Web standards? It does, but im not really ditching IE im more just refusing to add the fix's for th PNG-LOGO and sorting the margin/padding issuse with the

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Dean Jackson
On 18 Oct 2004, at 21:10, Mark Harwood wrote: Not commercialy, but personaly on your own blog sites are other little community sites? I've just redesigned my blog (www.phunky.co.uk) and in doing so i decided i was not going to touch some of the minor issuse that IE has with my site, although it

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Matt Andrews
well, IE is the bane of my life, and i wish everybody would just see the light and switch to Firefox :) but, when it comes down to it, the Web is about communication. commercial or personal, if your site falls apart for of your audience, you're not communicating very well. and the ability to cr

Re: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Dean Jackson
On 18 Oct 2004, at 13:37, Ryan Christie wrote: You're free to make your own W3C badges to place on your site. Most people I see, incl. myself, just use text links in the footer. W3C won't hunt you down for infringement or anything. There are definitely some copyright issues in using the logo with

Re: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Dean Jackson
On 18 Oct 2004, at 12:50, Rick Faaberg wrote: Hi all, Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? I work for the W3C and I've heard your suggestion. While I'm not the badges guy, I know they h

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread john
Doesn't ditching IE run contrary to the whole idea of accessibility and using Web standards? The point isn't to get people to switch from IE, but rather, to design in a way that will reach the broadest audience for years to come. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://

RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Mark Harwood
I did say not commercialy, but on my personal site... Altho my worries is that it could effect my commercial work :S On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:29 , Mike Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: >>I just wanna know your view on ditching IE on purpose? > >Commercial suicide :o) > >Mike Pepper >Accessible Web

RE: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Mike Pepper
Nah, they're different :o) Not as good ;o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Dale Sent: 18 October 2004 12:28 To: [EMAIL PR

RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
I think it is a very dangerous decision to make! IE is still by far the most common browser and you might be right that clients could get a bit nervous when they see you are anti-IE. It took me such a long time to ditch NN 4, but now that I have done it it just feels great! Dropping IE will take a

RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Mike Pepper
>I just wanna know your view on ditching IE on purpose? Commercial suicide :o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Harwood Sent

RE: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Michael Dale
Thank google ;) http://images.google.com.au/images?q=validate+w3c&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:04:11 +1000 Subject: RE: [WSG] w3c badges > Pleased you lik

[WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread Mark Harwood
Not commercialy, but personaly on your own blog sites are other little community sites? I've just redesigned my blog (www.phunky.co.uk) and in doing so i decided i was not going to touch some of the minor issuse that IE has with my site, although it would only take me a little bit of time to get

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Lo wrote: I was just reading the article excerpted below and was curious as to how many on the list have used this technique of initially setting all padding and margins to 0 and if so how successful was it? I remember reading a similar suggestion a while back (I don't remember where) whic

RE: [WSG] w3c badges

2004-10-18 Thread Mike Pepper
Pleased you like them, Michael ;o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Dale Sent: 18 October 2004 04:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Andrew, Thanks for posting the article in the first place, I should've known the writer would've been on this list! Anyway, I like the idea and I have a suspicion it'll work pretty well for my needs. I just tried it in a site I'm working on and it actually didn't break much and in fact I can

[WSG] Solving Common CSS problems

2004-10-18 Thread Neerav
The following Web Standards Articles are written by some of the best designers/coders in the business and are sure to help all web designers whether new to CSS/XHTML or quite experienced with problems commonly faced when using CSS: (Links are at http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2004/10/18/solving-c

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Cameron Adams
I think this is a strong argument for introducing this technique to others. The most oft-cited reason for not using semantic HTML is the perceived control that can be achieved by using tables/a lot of divs. By removing this "mystery" dimension from the size of elements, it could help people to bec